Possible Japanese Navy Ships

[Delta Force]

Yes, but it is at the lower end of typical armored cruiser speeds.

[Tanthalas]

Meh who wants to be at the lower end... Virtualy everyone has a BB there anymore.  I want to be at the Upper end *scuries off to make Japanease ship go 22+ knots*

Yes, but it is at the lower end of typical armored cruiser speeds.

[Darman]

Yes, but it is at the lower end of typical armored cruiser speeds.

and...?  Its supposed to be a battleship.  So what does that say about all those slow armored cruisers?

[Delta Force]

Yes, but it is at the lower end of typical armored cruiser speeds.

and...?  Its supposed to be a battleship.  So what does that say about all those slow armored cruisers?

It just seems to be rather speedy for a battleship, especially one with reciprocating engines. It seems that it would be more useful to have more 9.2 inch guns than a small increase in speed (although it will have a battlecruiser like edge over my existing battleships). Alternatively, they could have less armor and more speed to become powerful armored cruiser killers. It's just an odd combination right now.

[Darman]

You are right that it speedy compared to pretty much everyone else's battleships, including my own.  I'm not sure I'll be building these, since my slipways will be full until the end of 1901 if I remember right. 

[KWorld]

You are right that it speedy compared to pretty much everyone else's battleships, including my own.  I'm not sure I'll be building these, since my slipways will be full until the end of 1901 if I remember right.

Heh, well, you could contact Union Steel & Iron: if, as it seems, Germany has won the Chilean order, US&I has open slips..... 

;)

[Darman]

Kashima, Empire of Japan Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   14,000 t light; 14,628 t standard; 15,905 t normal; 16,927 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (455.00 ft / 455.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.43 ft)
   (138.68 m / 138.68 m) x 22.86 m  x (8.23 / 8.66 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,464 lbs / 2,025 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   348.68 ft / 106.28 m   10.39 ft / 3.17 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   106.32 ft / 32.41 m   10.39 ft / 3.17 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   348.68 ft / 106.28 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 118 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm         -               -
   3rd:   2.50" / 64 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 1.75" / 44 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 30,895 ihp / 23,047 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,299 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   707 - 920

Cost:
   £1.496 million / $5.983 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 725 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 3,991 tons, 25.1 %
      - Belts: 2,256 tons, 14.2 %
      - Armament: 816 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 796 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 123 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,827 tons, 30.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,382 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,905 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.5 %
      - Above deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,691 lbs / 5,303 Kg = 13.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 64 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.604 / 0.611
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.07 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 117.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,056 Square feet or 2,328 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 624 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight
25t wireless
25t flag quarters
25t officer's playroom

[Tanthalas]

4 foot of unprotected freeboard above the upper belt would concern me, other than that not a bad first effort (even if its a bit brute force for my tastes)

[Delta Force]

Strong design overall, although I would be concerned about the armor flaw Tan mentioned.

[Darman]

Kashima, Empire of Japan Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   14,778 t light; 15,423 t standard; 16,743 t normal; 17,799 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (455.00 ft / 455.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.43 ft)
   (138.68 m / 138.68 m) x 22.86 m  x (8.23 / 8.67 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.61kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      12 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,464 lbs / 2,025 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   348.68 ft / 106.28 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   106.32 ft / 32.41 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   348.68 ft / 106.28 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
     Main Belt covers 118 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm         -               -
   3rd:   2.50" / 64 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - single deck: 1.75" / 44 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 32,299 ihp / 24,095 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,376 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   735 - 956

Cost:
   £1.554 million / $6.215 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 725 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 4,515 tons, 27.0 %
      - Belts: 2,753 tons, 16.4 %
      - Armament: 816 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 820 tons, 4.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 127 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,047 tons, 30.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,416 tons, 26.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,965 tons, 11.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.4 %
      - Above deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,475 lbs / 5,659 Kg = 14.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 13.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 62 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.642
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.07 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.33 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,807 Square feet or 2,398 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 615 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.92
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Misc. Weight
25t wireless
25t flag quarters
25t officer's playroom