Swiss Super Cruiser...

[Desertfox]

Since I cant go faster being limited to 48,000hp, NS will have to go bigger, otherwise Ill end up building a whole bunch of destroyers.

This is one of the potential candidates for the next Swiss Capital ship:


NSS Enterprise, New Switzerland Super Cruiser laid down 1905 (Engine 1909)

Displacement:
   18,504 t light; 19,710 t standard; 22,630 t normal; 24,966 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   557.00 ft / 557.00 ft x 79.00 ft x 30.00 ft (normal load)
   169.77 m / 169.77 m x 24.08 m  x 9.14 m

Armament:
      8 - 14.00" / 356 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1,372.00lbs / 622.33kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, evenly spread
     Aft Main mounts separated by engine room
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1905 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      10 - 4.00" / 102 mm guns in single mounts, 32.00lbs / 14.51kg shells, 1905 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      8 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm guns (4x2 guns), 1.95lbs / 0.88kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 12,608 lbs / 5,719 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 105

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   217.00 ft / 66.14 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   340.00 ft / 103.63 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 49,255 shp / 36,744 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 5,256 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   922 - 1,199

Cost:
   £2.313 million / $9.251 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,576 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 6,626 tons, 29.3 %
      - Belts: 2,565 tons, 11.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 2,189 tons, 9.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,786 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 86 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,438 tons, 10.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,763 tons, 34.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,126 tons, 18.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,473 lbs / 10,193 Kg = 16.4 x 14.0 " / 356 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.81
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.60 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.99 ft / 5.18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 109.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,183 Square feet or 2,990 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 164 lbs/sq ft or 802 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate



Thoughts?

[Ithekro]

Well, there is the 14" guns.  I don't recall anyone (else) having 14" guns in 1904.  13" and 340 mm we've seen.  I thought the Swiss had 12" guns. (pretty good 12" guns I think)

You might also try for a later laid down date, if nothing else just as a detail point.

You could try for VTE engines, there doesn't appear to be a limit on their shaft horsepower...just the year and that they are huge.  I could be imagining that however.

[khymerion]

I dread the day I will have to reclassify my battleships as cruisers if this is the cruiser of the future.  But very good none the less and something that must be taken into consideration now for future planning.

[Borys]

Ahoj!
As it is a concept design using "vapour-ware" guns is acceptable.

Borys

[P3D]

On guns:
All 13"-14" guns were lumped into one cathegory. The main reason I decided so was that no one developed the 13" guns of the old Navalism historically. The nations that previously had  developed 15" guns (France and Rohan) were given an extra level of gun technology.

So Switzerland does have a 13-14" gun with 40 caliber length - this is about the same performance as the OTL French 340mm/45 and the Skoda 350mm/45 guns. Similar caliber Rohirrim and French (N-verse) guns are more powerful.

On the armor: use your armor thickness multiplier to determine your effective armor strength. To get 12" belt, you need 12.6". To get 3"-equivalent deck armor you need 3.45": 1.05" and 1.15"  thickness is needed to effectively get 1" belt/deck armor.

Powerplant: 48000HP. Not 49500.

The ship looks like the Ganguts with twin 14" instead of triple 12"s.

[Desertfox]

Yes I have some pretty good 12" guns and they will get even better. I would prefer 12x12" instead but I dont have triples. It is basiclly a Gangut with 14" guns.

On the armor, the rules are already complicated without having to determine thickness, Im not going to mess around with it. If its less than optimal its less than optimal.

As for speed, I design my ships around knots not HP, to bring the ship down to 48000hp is a drop of around 0.1-2 knots, insignificant in my POV.

To tell the truth I dont like this ship and it doesnt fit in with the rest of the fleet. Just a "maximum" battleship, the biggest ship I can have with my technology. Just a design study at this point.