Scandinavian Ships

[Delta Force]

Quite the anti-aircraft armament for shooting down balloons and dirigibles.

[Tanthalas]

*hides the plans for super airships and glider bombs*

Quite the anti-aircraft armament for shooting down balloons and dirigibles.

[Walter]

Eight Main Battery guns in 2 single turrets? Twelve Secondary Battery guns in 6 single mounts?

Also, what is the Main Battery layout supposed to be?

Two single turrets... You fire a gun, pull it out and replace it with one that is ready and loaded below. ;D

Quite the anti-aircraft armament for shooting down balloons and dirigibles.

I thought that they were the anti-vulture guns. :)

*hides the plans for super airships and glider bombs*

Don't like airships so I guess I will go for this instead and alter it for the Iberian Air Force. ;D

[ledeper]

Another provocation:
Battlecruiser study, Scandia BC laid down 1904

Displacement:
   24.439 t light; 25.612 t standard; 28.362 t normal; 30.561 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (720,41 ft / 715,22 ft) x 91,86 ft x (24,61 / 26,19 ft)
   (219,58 m / 218,00 m) x 28,00 m  x (7,50 / 7,98 m)

Armament:
      9 - 12,60" / 320 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.008,34lbs / 457,37kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1904 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Triple mount on centreline forward
      10 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1904 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 9.684 lbs / 4.393 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   11,52 ft / 3,51 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   536,42 ft / 163,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0,20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5,91" / 150 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 61.964 shp / 46.225 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 5.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.950 tons

Complement:
   1.092 - 1.420

Cost:
   £2,520 million / $10,080 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.698 tons, 6,0 %
      - Guns: 1.698 tons, 6,0 %
   Armour: 6.628 tons, 23,4 %
      - Belts: 3.721 tons, 13,1 %
      - Armament: 1.233 tons, 4,3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1.555 tons, 5,5 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0,4 %
   Machinery: 5.633 tons, 19,9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 10.081 tons, 35,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.922 tons, 13,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 1,4 %
      - Hull below water: 400 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     35.045 lbs / 15.896 Kg = 35,1 x 12,6 " / 320 mm shells or 2,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,33
   Metacentric height 7,3 ft / 2,2 m
   Roll period: 14,3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,49

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,614 / 0,622
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10,00 %,  29,43 ft / 8,97 m,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m
      - Forward deck:   60,00 %,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Aft deck:   15,00 %,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Average freeboard:      21,09 ft / 6,43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 177,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 48.685 Square feet or 4.523 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 161 lbs/sq ft or 787 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,11
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[ledeper]

 And still another one:(MODS are quite lazy , coming up with something):

Borodino clone, Scandia Bb laid down 1907

Displacement:
   35.476 t light; 37.641 t standard; 41.493 t normal; 44.575 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (720,41 ft / 715,22 ft) x 104,99 ft x (29,53 / 31,39 ft)
   (219,58 m / 218,00 m) x 32,00 m  x (9,00 / 9,57 m)

Armament:
      6 - 14,96" / 380 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.688,52lbs / 765,90kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     1 x Triple mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Triple mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      4 - 14,96" / 380 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.688,52lbs / 765,90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck centre
      1 raised mount
      24 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     12 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      12 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1907 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 19.401 lbs / 8.800 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   12,30 ft / 3,75 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   464,90 ft / 141,70 m   27,23 ft / 8,30 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 65,62 ft / 20,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   7,87" / 200 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11,8" / 300 mm   7,87" / 200 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3,94" / 100 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11,81" / 300 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 80.003 shp / 59.682 Kw = 25,00 kts
   Range 7.500nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6.933 tons

Complement:
   1.453 - 1.889

Cost:
   £3,572 million / $14,286 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3.164 tons, 7,6 %
      - Guns: 3.164 tons, 7,6 %
   Armour: 12.108 tons, 29,2 %
      - Belts: 4.399 tons, 10,6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 922 tons, 2,2 %
      - Armament: 3.036 tons, 7,3 %
      - Armour Deck: 3.446 tons, 8,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 305 tons, 0,7 %
   Machinery: 4.546 tons, 11,0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.159 tons, 36,5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.017 tons, 14,5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 1,2 %
      - Hull below water: 500 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     54.389 lbs / 24.670 Kg = 32,5 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells or 8,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,20
   Metacentric height 7,5 ft / 2,3 m
   Roll period: 16,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,67
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,655 / 0,662
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,81 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  29,43 ft / 8,97 m,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  24,08 ft / 7,34 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m,  18,73 ft / 5,71 m
      - Average freeboard:      21,03 ft / 6,41 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 119,8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 151,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 57.787 Square feet or 5.369 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1.031 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,32
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[ledeper]

And then again and again: ;) ;)

Oden-thor-loki-aegir, Scandia CDBb laid down 1902

Displacement:
   15.638 t light; 16.541 t standard; 18.332 t normal; 19.764 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (421,92 ft / 419,95 ft) x 85,30 ft x (23,79 / 25,45 ft)
   (128,60 m / 128,00 m) x 26,00 m  x (7,25 / 7,76 m)

Armament:
      6 - 13,98" / 355 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1.376,70lbs / 624,46kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Triple mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      10 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8.636 lbs / 3.917 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11,8" / 300 mm   272,97 ft / 83,20 m   11,09 ft / 3,38 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   146,95 ft / 44,79 m   11,09 ft / 3,38 m
   Upper:   4,92" / 125 mm   272,97 ft / 83,20 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   272,97 ft / 83,20 m   17,85 ft / 5,44 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 17,39 ft / 5,30 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   5,91" / 150 mm      11,8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2,95" / 75 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9,84" / 250 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17.249 shp / 12.868 Kw = 18,00 kts
   Range 4.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.223 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   787 - 1.024

Cost:
   £1,739 million / $6,954 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.472 tons, 8,0 %
      - Guns: 1.472 tons, 8,0 %
   Armour: 5.148 tons, 28,1 %
      - Belts: 2.283 tons, 12,5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 355 tons, 1,9 %
      - Armament: 1.024 tons, 5,6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1.339 tons, 7,3 %
      - Conning Tower: 147 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 2.875 tons, 15,7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5.643 tons, 30,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.693 tons, 14,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 500 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 500 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20.781 lbs / 9.426 Kg = 15,2 x 14,0 " / 355 mm shells or 3,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,51
   Metacentric height 8,0 ft / 2,4 m
   Roll period: 12,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,753 / 0,759
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4,92 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  22,54 ft / 6,87 m,  18,44 ft / 5,62 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  18,44 ft / 5,62 m,  14,34 ft / 4,37 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  14,34 ft / 4,37 m,  14,34 ft / 4,37 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  14,34 ft / 4,37 m,  14,34 ft / 4,37 m
      - Average freeboard:      16,10 ft / 4,91 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 456,5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111,3 %
   Waterplane Area: 30.095 Square feet or 2.796 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 158 lbs/sq ft or 771 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,32
      - Overall: 1,00
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room

[The Rock Doctor]

Maybe you need to ease up on the mods, Ledeper.

[snip]

Ya, this is really what I wanted to wake up and deal with. </sarcasm>

Locking until cooler heads prevale all around.

[Nobody]

How about reminding us about what you think we missed/forgot, instead of creating more distracting work?

[Tanthalas]

I second this motion...

How about reminding us about what you think we missed/forgot, instead of creating more distracting work?

[Tanthalas]

I in my infintae wisdom, and not lacking in Courage have unlocked this thread. *pulls on his battle rattle and digs a foxhole*

[Korpen]

Lede Per: Why not simply go for something as close to a historic ship as possible (more or less)


HMS Fylgia, Nordic Armoured Cruiser laid down 1903

Displacement:
   4 600 t light; 4 802 t standard; 5 330 t normal; 5 752 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (377,62 ft / 377,62 ft) x 48,56 ft x (20,01 / 21,21 ft)
   (115,10 m / 115,10 m) x 14,80 m  x (6,10 / 6,47 m)

Armament:
      8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 50,0 cal guns - 113,44lbs / 51,45kg shells, 176 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1903 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      14 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 5,42lbs / 2,46kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1889B Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
     4 x Single mounts layout not set
      4 raised mounts
      2 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,55lbs / 0,70kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 986 lbs / 447 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17,7" / 450 mm, 13,12 ft / 4,00 m torpedoes - 0,528 t each, 1,056 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   147,64 ft / 45,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   114,83 ft / 35,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
     115,16 ft / 35,10 m Unarmoured ends
     Main Belt covers 60 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   4,92" / 125 mm   1,97" / 50 mm      4,13" / 105 mm
   2nd:   0,87" / 22 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0,87" / 22 mm  Quarter deck: 0,87" / 22 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14 200 ihp / 10 594 Kw = 21,42 kts
   Range 5 840nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 950 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   311 - 405

Cost:
   £0,557 million / $2,227 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 285 tons, 5,3 %
      - Guns: 282 tons, 5,3 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,0 %
   Armour: 783 tons, 14,7 %
      - Belts: 353 tons, 6,6 %
      - Armament: 106 tons, 2,0 %
      - Armour Deck: 298 tons, 5,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0,5 %
   Machinery: 2 119 tons, 39,8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 403 tons, 26,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 730 tons, 13,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0,2 %
      - Hull above water: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 767 lbs / 1 255 Kg = 25,8 x 6,0 " / 152 mm shells or 1,6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,43
   Metacentric height 3,1 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 11,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 69 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,508 / 0,518
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00 %,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   40,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,71 ft / 4,18 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 147,1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 101,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 311 Square feet or 1 144 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 382 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,94
      - Longitudinal: 1,72
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

She is a bit bigger then the real ship in an effort to get accurate combat output. She is also a bit slower (the real one made 22,7kts on 12k shp)
The armour is also open to some speculation as some sources include the plating, this mainly affects the deck armour, I went with the lowest figure.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Fylgia