Scandinavian Ships

[Tanthalas]

2 up mounts definetly I would think, and wouldnt they be on sides instead of centerline?

6 - 4,00" / 102 mm 45,0 cal guns - 32,27lbs / 14,64kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts

,is placed in upper substructure.

I think you should use the "2 mounts up" option then.

[Jefgte]

On your 739t corvette, torpedoes could be useful...

Jef  ;)

[ledeper]

1-?, Scandia Ligth Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10.975 t light; 11.281 t standard; 13.035 t normal; 14.438 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (508,53 ft / 508,53 ft) x 68,90 ft x (20,67 / 22,53 ft)
   (155,00 m / 155,00 m) x 21,00 m  x (6,30 / 6,87 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 544 lbs / 247 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 18,0" / 457 mm, 0,00 ft / 0,00 m torpedoes - 0,000 t each, 0,000 t total
   In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3,94" / 100 mm   330,54 ft / 100,75 m   9,97 ft / 3,04 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   177,95 ft / 54,24 m   9,97 ft / 3,04 m
   Upper:   1,97" / 50 mm   330,54 ft / 100,75 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm   0,98" / 25 mm      0,98" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1,97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1,97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 4,72" / 120 mm, Aft 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 31.126 ihp / 23.220 Kw = 23,00 kts
   Range 5.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3.157 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   609 - 792

Cost:
   £1,190 million / $4,760 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 113 tons, 0,9 %
      - Guns: 113 tons, 0,9 %
   Armour: 1.977 tons, 15,2 %
      - Belts: 909 tons, 7,0 %
      - Armament: 20 tons, 0,2 %
      - Armour Deck: 967 tons, 7,4 %
      - Conning Towers: 80 tons, 0,6 %
   Machinery: 5.509 tons, 42,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.257 tons, 25,0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2.060 tons, 15,8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 0,9 %
      - Hull below water: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8.763 lbs / 3.975 Kg = 147,0 x 4,9 " / 125 mm shells or 1,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,82
   Metacentric height 7,5 ft / 2,3 m
   Roll period: 10,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 81 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,62

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,630 / 0,640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  24,80 ft / 7,56 m,  20,31 ft / 6,19 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  20,31 ft / 6,19 m,  15,78 ft / 4,81 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  15,78 ft / 4,81 m,  15,78 ft / 4,81 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  15,78 ft / 4,81 m,  15,78 ft / 4,81 m
      - Average freeboard:      17,73 ft / 5,40 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 140,3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138,7 %
   Waterplane Area: 26.350 Square feet or 2.448 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 88 lbs/sq ft or 432 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,19
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[ledeper]

01-99, Scandia Corvettes laid down 1900

Displacement:
   679 t light; 701 t standard; 825 t normal; 924 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (195,88 ft / 193,57 ft) x 21,33 ft x (11,48 / 12,64 ft)
   (59,71 m / 59,00 m) x 6,50 m  x (3,50 / 3,85 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,78lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      1 - 1,97" / 50,0 mm 45,0 cal gun - 3,86lbs / 1,75kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 65 lbs / 30 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 19,7" / 500 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 0,972 t each, 1,945 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0,98" / 25 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2.977 ihp / 2.221 Kw = 18,00 kts
   Range 2.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 222 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   76 - 100

Cost:
   £0,082 million / $0,327 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 14 tons, 1,7 %
      - Guns: 12 tons, 1,4 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,3 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0,8 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0,6 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0,2 %
   Machinery: 390 tons, 47,3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 221 tons, 26,8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 145 tons, 17,6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 6,1 %
      - Hull below water: 40 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     376 lbs / 171 Kg = 12,3 x 3,9 " / 100 mm shells or 0,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,36
   Metacentric height 0,8 ft / 0,3 m
   Roll period: 9,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 98 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,95

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,609 / 0,619
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9,08 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13,91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00 %,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  12,53 ft / 3,82 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00 %,  11,88 ft / 3,62 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m,  9,74 ft / 2,97 m
      - Average freeboard:      10,67 ft / 3,25 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 162,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 74,6 %
   Waterplane Area: 2.982 Square feet or 277 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 81 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 33 lbs/sq ft or 162 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,85
      - Longitudinal: 4,68
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[ledeper]

Island-class, Scandia Destroyer laid down 1902

Displacement:
   1.712 t light; 1.759 t standard; 1.875 t normal; 1.968 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (329,02 ft / 324,80 ft) x 39,37 ft x (11,48 / 11,88 ft)
   (100,28 m / 99,00 m) x 12,00 m  x (3,50 / 3,62 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 120 lbs / 55 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 18,0" / 457 mm, 7,00 ft / 2,13 m torpedoes - 0,301 t each, 1,206 t total
   In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 12.024 ihp / 8.970 Kw = 24,00 kts
   Range 1.500nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 209 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   142 - 185

Cost:
   £0,235 million / $0,941 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 34 tons, 1,8 %
      - Guns: 32 tons, 1,7 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0,1 %
   Armour: 2 tons, 0,1 %
      - Armament: 2 tons, 0,1 %
   Machinery: 1.171 tons, 62,4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 455 tons, 24,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 164 tons, 8,7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 2,7 %
      - Hull below water: 40 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     502 lbs / 228 Kg = 8,4 x 4,9 " / 125 mm shells or 1,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,84
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 9,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,447 / 0,453
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18,02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 12,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10,00 %,  19,82 ft / 6,04 m,  16,21 ft / 4,94 m
      - Forward deck:   40,00 %,  16,21 ft / 4,94 m,  12,63 ft / 3,85 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  12,63 ft / 3,85 m,  12,63 ft / 3,85 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  12,63 ft / 3,85 m,  12,63 ft / 3,85 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,85 ft / 4,22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 209,2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 147,5 %
   Waterplane Area: 8.137 Square feet or 756 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 49 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 36 lbs/sq ft or 175 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,59
      - Longitudinal: 1,34
      - Overall: 0,64
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Walter]

Regarding your "Light" Cruiser, I prefer main guns that are a bit bigger than that on a ship that size... but that is just me...

Regarding your Destroyer, looking at the rules, you'll probably have to build it using the Light Cruiser Architecture due to its size so your overall hull strength needs to be 1.00 minimum.

[Tanthalas]

Gona have to agree with Walter here... there are 23 knot ACs floating aorund that don't weigh much more than your "CL" (or atleast wont when they are finished).  5" guns wouldnt do much against most of em either (since they generaly have atleast a 6" belt) and 9.2"+ guns...

[eltf177]

I agree, a ship this size need far better armament. Do have a question...

1-?, Scandia Ligth Cruiser laid down 1900

Armament:
      3 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      4 - 4,92" / 125 mm 45,0 cal guns - 60,10lbs / 27,26kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread

Is there some reason the centerline guns are mount and hoist while the beam guns aren't?

[Jefgte]

I agree with All,
Armament is too light for a 10000t cruiser.
Note that the engines are 50% of the displacement.
Speed cost very much without turbines technos.
Armour is correct for a 10000t cruiser but not with this armament.

Jef

[Walter]

Note that the engines are 50% of the displacement.
Speed cost very much without turbines technos.

Actually just below 43%. Still the size of the (simple reciprocating) power plant also means that you need a considerable length of belt armor in order to protect everything with the main belt (needs to be at least 140.3% coverage).

[Jefgte]

Actually just below 43%

Calculation with SS " Distribution of weights at normal displacement"

100 : 10975t x 5509t =50.19%

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

Going to Complex Reciprocating Engines will help some, but still.....

[ledeper]

Like this: ;D ;D

Ocean-class II, Scandia Bb laid down 1911

Displacement:
   42.347 t light; 44.865 t standard; 49.496 t normal; 53.201 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (785,71 ft / 780,84 ft) x 104,99 ft x (31,17 / 33,18 ft)
   (239,48 m / 238,00 m) x 32,00 m  x (9,50 / 10,11 m)

Armament:
      8 - 17,91" / 455 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.898,61lbs / 1.314,79kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
      2 - 3,94" / 100,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 30,77lbs / 13,96kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 1,97lbs / 0,89kg shells, 150 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     10 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 24.516 lbs / 11.120 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   585,63 ft / 178,50 m   12,30 ft / 3,75 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   5,91" / 150 mm   585,63 ft / 178,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 115 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,97" / 50 mm   585,63 ft / 178,50 m   28,05 ft / 8,55 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 73,82 ft / 22,50 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13,8" / 350 mm   9,84" / 250 mm      13,8" / 350 mm
   2nd:   2,95" / 75 mm   0,79" / 20 mm            -
   3rd:   0,79" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 5,91" / 150 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13,78" / 350 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 100.535 shp / 74.999 Kw = 26,00 kts
   Range 10.000nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 8.336 tons

Complement:
   1.658 - 2.156

Cost:
   £4,277 million / $17,108 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4.592 tons, 9,3 %
      - Guns: 4.592 tons, 9,3 %
   Armour: 16.564 tons, 33,5 %
      - Belts: 5.305 tons, 10,7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 1.196 tons, 2,4 %
      - Armament: 3.512 tons, 7,1 %
      - Armour Deck: 6.150 tons, 12,4 %
      - Conning Tower: 400 tons, 0,8 %
   Machinery: 4.080 tons, 8,2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 16.461 tons, 33,3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7.149 tons, 14,4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 650 tons, 1,3 %
      - Hull below water: 650 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     70.442 lbs / 31.952 Kg = 24,5 x 17,9 " / 455 mm shells or 10,3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,23
   Metacentric height 7,9 ft / 2,4 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 65 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,678 / 0,685
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 27,94 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 9,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10,00 %,  30,74 ft / 9,37 m,  25,16 ft / 7,67 m
      - Forward deck:   40,00 %,  25,16 ft / 7,67 m,  19,55 ft / 5,96 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00 %,  19,55 ft / 5,96 m,  19,55 ft / 5,96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00 %,  19,55 ft / 5,96 m,  19,55 ft / 5,96 m
      - Average freeboard:      21,46 ft / 6,54 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98,9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155,8 %
   Waterplane Area: 64.421 Square feet or 5.985 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 212 lbs/sq ft or 1.033 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,98
      - Longitudinal: 1,16
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Walter]

Well...
I think you will need to research the 1921 gun tech for those main guns...
With the engines they can only be geared if you are lucky with the research roll (and then the engines should be 1912 and Max. power is 10000 HP/shaft). Otherwise the engines should be 1909 VTE, 1905 Direct-Drive, 1908 Turbo-electric or 1910 hydraulic...
Size makes it extremely costly...
Maybe a few other things I have missed...
:)

[eltf177]

This confuses me:

Armament:
      8 - 17,91" / 455 mm 45,0 cal guns - 2.898,61lbs / 1.314,79kg shells, 110 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1911 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

      12 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 103,86lbs / 47,11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1911 Model
     6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward

Eight Main Battery guns in 2 single turrets? Twelve Secondary Battery guns in 6 single mounts?

Also, what is the Main Battery layout supposed to be?