Ships of the Royal Navy: Pre-Start

[Tanthalas]

yeah im fairly sure its for torps/tubes, atleast some of it.  the rest like on several of my ships is just stuff (or a building reserve)

I'm thinking some of the miscellaneous weight on those DD's is for torpedo tubes and torpedoes?

I'd guess so, WAY more than is needed for period fish, though.

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Yep, torps and other goodies. Not exactly sure what, but there will be goodies.

[KWorld]

25 tons on a ship of this size is a lot, especially when we're limited to only a couple of short 45cm torpedoes.  Speed and range are lower than I'd expect in a TBD of this size, and I'd want a second 3" gun to better perform my main role: engaging torpedo boats.

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These two classes are basically heavier copies of the "30knt" destroyers, which were never really able to live up to there design speeds anyway. These, with the trial speed calculated via the rules on that, are actually very good approximations of the actual speeds these boats obtained. The ships also have a roughly historical armament (Chamois has 3lb guns where she should have 6lb but they would not quite fit) so I am not to concerned about that. For TBs and TBDs of this size, the RoF of a 3lb or 6lb gun plus the finisher of a 12lb gun (o god, Im starting to designate guns by lb rating) should be plenty. The next model might include an additional 12lb gun and be a tech-max design as far as displacement allows. That then will be basically the standard TBD until I can slap turbines on them and/or build 750t TBDs.

Admittedly, these are not very good designs, but they are good historical approximations of what was in service. For the duties they will need to undertake, the boats are workable and useful for now, and will be useful up until 750t boats and much faster 500t boats come into widespread service. By then I think they will be approaching the end of there service lives anyway, and I will not really be spending the tonnage to refit them and keep them around.

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The breakdown of the most current number for the Royal Navy on January 1st 1900

Total Tonnage with Breakdown

Type	Cash	BP	Tonnage
Battleships	$221.02	221.02	221020
First Class Cruisers	$141.76	141.76	141760
Second Class Cruisers	$131.57	131.57	131568
Destroyers/TBs	$47.00	37.60	37600
Coastal Defenses	$39.80	39.80	39802
Naval Guns	$29.00	0.00	0
Total	$610.15	571.75	571750

Battleships

Battleships
Class	Tonnage	Number	Total
Illustrious	13100	8	104800
Albion	14100	4	56400
Remembrance	9970	6	59820
		18	221020

First Class Cruisers

First Class Cruisers
Class	Tonnage	Number	Total
Ariadne	9485	8	75880
Cressy	10980	6	65880
		14	141760

Second and Third Class Cruisers

Second and Third Class Cruisers
Class	Tonnage	Number	Total
Aphrodite	3000	12	36000
Encounter	4684	12	56208
Pegasus	1640	24	39360
		48	131568

Torpedo Boat Destroyers

Topedo Boat Destroyers
Class	Tonnage	Number	Total
Chamois	470	40	18800
Destructive	470	40	18800
		80	37600

Coastal Defences

Coastal Defences
Type	Caliber	Defences	Cost	Number	Total
Turret	12	MD	2.65	4	10.6
Turret	12	ED	1.33	5	6.65
Carriage	12	ND	0.25	16	4
Turret	9.2	ED	1.06	6	6.36
Casemate	9.2	ND	0.19	29	5.51
Turret	6	ND	0.08	51	4.08
Casemate	6	ND	0.04	65	2.6
			Total	176	39.8

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Here are my thoughts on Names for my ships. Done by Class. Note there may be spelling errors

Illustrious First Class Battleships, Eight Ships: Illustrious, Majestic, Resplendent, Sublime, Glorious, Victorious, Furious, Helios

Albion First Class Battleships, Four Ships: Albion, Powerful, Warspite, Thunder

Remembrance Second Class Battleships, Six Ships: Remembrance, Flashback, Undaunted, Excalibur, Allegiance, Defiant

Ariadne First Class Cruisers, Eight Ships: Ariadne, Cadence, Spartiate, Europa, Nile, Argonaut, Diadem, Andromeda

Cressy First Class Cruisers, Six ships: Cressy, Princess Royal, Euryalus, Bacchante, Terrible, Gibraltar

Aphrodite Second Class Cruisers, Twelve Ships: Aphrodite, Apollo, Diana, Cratos, Ceres, Bacchus, Vulcan, Nike, Hermes, Persephone, Triton, Tyche

Encounter Second Class Cruisers, Twelve Ships: Encounter, Concurrence, Asymptote, Rendezvous, Aspen, Diligence, Maidstone, Falcon, Harrow, Sophie, Xandar, Tribune

Pegasus Third Class Cuisers, Twenty four Ships: Pegasus, Ceberus, Empousa, Gorgons, Harpies, Kobaloi, Mormo, Taraxippi, Asbolus, Lamia, Hippocampi, Ipotane, Ophiotaurus, Satyrs, Sphinx, Amphisbaena, Chrysomallus, Karkinos, Phoenix, Nemean Lion, Agrius, Tityos, Ladon, Cychreides

Chamois Class Torpedo Boat Destroyers, Forty Ships: Pennent Numbers TBD01-TBD41 (will come up with names as needed)

Destructive Class Torpedo Boat Destroyers, Forty Ships: Pennent Numbers TDB42-TDB82 (will come up with names as needed)

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Well, as Delta pointed out, I had an error in the armor of the Cressy class cruisers. No 53" thick hoist armor is required. The fixed sim with the armor strenghtend elswere is presented below. If it is ok with the group, I would like to make this the offical sim. The light displacement is the same.

Cressy, United Kingdom First Class Cruiser laid down 1898

Displacement:
   10,980 t light; 11,413 t standard; 12,551 t normal; 13,462 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (440.00 ft / 440.00 ft) x 69.50 ft x (26.00 / 27.49 ft)
   (134.11 m / 134.11 m) x 21.18 m  x (7.92 / 8.38 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.20" / 234 mm 40.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,110 lbs / 957 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   294.80 ft / 89.86 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   145.18 ft / 44.25 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   294.80 ft / 89.86 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 103 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 21.02 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,049 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   592 - 770

Cost:
   £1.002 million / $4.009 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 375 tons, 3.0 %
      - Guns: 375 tons, 3.0 %
   Armour: 3,551 tons, 28.3 %
      - Belts: 2,042 tons, 16.3 %
      - Armament: 346 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,094 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 70 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,548 tons, 28.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,280 tons, 26.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,571 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 225 tons, 1.8 %
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 175 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,665 lbs / 6,652 Kg = 37.7 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 96 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.92

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.33 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   17.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      21.12 ft / 6.44 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 149.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,392 Square feet or 1,987 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 503 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.42
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Walter]

No 53" thick hoist armor is required.

Yes, 53" is a bit extreme.  ;D
Since the light displacement is the same, it should be okay as the official sim.

BTW, out of curiosity, how much hull strength did the additional 50" eat up anyway?

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[Tanthalas]

Good with me, and LOL @ 53" armor... could have atleast put it on the Coning Tower =P

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[Walter]

could have atleast put it on the Coning Tower =P

... in which case I would have objected to the change since that was obviously the requirement of a very paranoid Admiral who wants to use that ship as a flagship and who wants plenty of protection.  ;D