1900 H1 reports

[Delta Force]

Anyone need some extra cash or have some surplus BP? Unfortunately Russian industry can't quite keep up with demand for warships. I might also be interested in purchasing warships built in foreign yards, but I'm not sure how that works in game.

[Nobody]

Anyone need some extra cash or have some surplus BP? Unfortunately Russian industry can't quite keep up with demand for warships. I might also be interested in purchasing warships built in foreign yards, but I'm not sure how that works in game.

The German Industry is always looking for export possibilities (but not in H1 anymore, thats over). Try to post your trade request in my marketplace. If that doesn't work I will have to play with the authorizations.

It can work in two different ways.
1. You can order (and pay) entire ships which will be build in foreign yards and with foreign technologies.
2. You can order parts of ships (guns, engines, etc.) which are delivered to you (as "labelled" BPs) and put inside a ship build in your own yard.

[KWorld]

Anyone need some extra cash or have some surplus BP? Unfortunately Russian industry can't quite keep up with demand for warships. I might also be interested in purchasing warships built in foreign yards, but I'm not sure how that works in game.

The US, in H1 1900, has 19 BPs (H2 1900 is looking like 21 BPs right now) that it's willing to sell, either as whole ships or as parts and materials.  Historically, Imperial Russia bought some ships from the US and materials for others.  Check the US Department of Commerce for amounts available and base rates, or send a PM.

[Darman]

Holy cow Kworld.... 19 BPs?? 

[KWorld]

Yep, see my H1 report.  :)


The US didn't really see a serious threat on the horizon when I did it's H1 1900 budget, so there wasn't a perceived need to spend all my BPs.  H2 1900, there may be a threat, but I'm assuming the budget is fixed and President McKinley, in the midst of a re-election campaign and by no means certain there IS a real threat, isn't championing a supplemental military budget to order anything extra in H2.

[Delta Force]

KWorld, would it be possible to order a Pittsburgh class armored cruiser from you? I see that you use the same caliber and length guns that the Russian Navy uses, is a change to the shell size considered similar enough to not require import of armament? Russian shells are actually slightly lighter than their USN counterparts.

[KWorld]

It could certainly be done.


The 10" ammunition would be basically compatible, both are bag guns, a lighter shell wouldn't cause problems for the US gun.  The Russian and American 6" guns would be more problematic, because while the shells wouldn't themselves be a problem, the propellant wouldn't be interchangeable at all (the Russian 6" is a quick-firing gun, firing 1-piece or cased separate loading rounds, while the American gun is a bag gun).  The 3" guns would probably be incompatible, due to differences in the shape of the case (assuming the Russian 3" here really is a 3" gun, the historical gun was a 75mm).

What you could do, if you're worried about logistics, is have any ships you order delivered without guns installed and install your own guns.  Or, have the Russian guns delivered to the US shipyard and installed there.  There'd be some extra fitting work, probably, to make everything match up, but it's certainly doable.

Let's see: USS Pittsburgh is 13298 tons light, so normal cost would be $13.298 and 13.298 BP.  Since you're probably wanting to pay with $ only, that goes to $26.596, throw in a bit extra for fitting Russian guns in the shipyard and you're looking at a cost of right around $ 27.  How many would you like (delivery guaranteed in 2 years upon prompt payment, contingent on delivery of the guns from Obhukov or Russian stocks)?

[KWorld]

Here's what USS Pittsburgh looks like rearmed with Russian weapons.  The lighter-weight shells allowed an increase in bunkerage.

Minsk, Russia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,194 t light; 13,806 t standard; 15,089 t normal; 16,115 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 72.50 ft x (25.00 / 26.31 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 22.10 m  x (7.62 / 8.02 m)

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      3 raised mounts
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,404 lbs / 1,998 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   394.05 ft / 120.11 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   160.93 ft / 49.05 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 6.00" / 152 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,493 ihp / 18,272 Kw = 21.50 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,309 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   679 - 884

Cost:
   £1.393 million / $5.572 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 996 tons, 6.6 %
      - Guns: 996 tons, 6.6 %
   Armour: 3,731 tons, 24.7 %
      - Belts: 1,886 tons, 12.5 %
      - Armament: 624 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,024 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 197 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 3,827 tons, 25.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,603 tons, 30.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,895 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.2 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,919 lbs / 6,313 Kg = 27.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.66 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   31.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.08 ft / 5.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 127.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,433 Square feet or 2,549 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.39
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Below-decks miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 submerged broadside 18" 5m wet heater torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-decks miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless installation.

[KWorld]

Looking at the above sim of Minsk, I have to adjust the pricetag a little: Minsk is 13194 tons light, so normal cost would be $13.194 and 13.194 BP.  Since you're probably wanting to pay with $ only, that goes to $26.388, throw in a bit extra for fitting Russian guns in the shipyard and you're looking at a cost of right around $ 26.5.  How many would you like (delivery guaranteed in 2 years upon prompt payment, contingent on delivery of the guns from Obhukov or Russian stocks)?

[Delta Force]

How difficult is it to change superstructures? Could the Russian cruiser have a single conning tower?

[KWorld]

How difficult is it to change superstructures? Could the Russian cruiser have a single conning tower?

It's not difficult in SS, not installing an armored conning tower would have some effects in real life.

Minsk, Russia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   12,806 t light; 13,410 t standard; 14,673 t normal; 15,683 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 70.50 ft x (25.00 / 26.34 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 21.49 m  x (7.62 / 8.03 m)

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      3 raised mounts
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,404 lbs / 1,998 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   394.05 ft / 120.11 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   160.93 ft / 49.05 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,025 ihp / 17,923 Kw = 21.50 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,273 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   666 - 866

Cost:
   £1.369 million / $5.476 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 996 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 996 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 3,621 tons, 24.7 %
      - Belts: 1,885 tons, 12.8 %
      - Armament: 624 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 995 tons, 6.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 116 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,754 tons, 25.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,398 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,867 tons, 12.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,092 lbs / 5,939 Kg = 26.2 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.525 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   31.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.08 ft / 5.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,677 Square feet or 2,478 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 600 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.37
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Below-decks miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 submerged broadside 18" 5m wet heater torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-decks miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless installation.

[KWorld]

Still waiting on Austria's turn 1, the Dutch spreadsheet for turn 1, and a completed Russian turn 1.  I think that's the list......

[Desertfox]

I did my H1 report, with spreadsheet

[Delta Force]

I've done my H1 report as well.