Blue Water Ships of Firanj

[Ithekro]

A vessel designed to keep the Swiss busy.  Again using Anahuac guns types.

Justice

Firanj "Super Cruiser" laid down 1902

Displacement:
   13,140 t light; 13,623 t standard; 15,000 t normal; 16,042 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   480.00 ft / 480.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   146.30 m / 146.30 m x 21.34 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (2x2 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1902 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,455 lbs / 2,021 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   365.00 ft / 111.25 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   115.00 ft / 35.05 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   315.00 ft / 96.01 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 27,000 ihp / 20,142 Kw = 21.54 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,479 tons)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.500 million / $6.001 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 557 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 4,160 tons, 27.7 %
      - Belts: 1,894 tons, 12.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 738 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,410 tons, 9.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,091 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,282 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,860 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,759 lbs / 4,880 Kg = 13.1 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.651
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,407 Square feet or 2,360 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 576 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.35
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Ithekro]

New ship...again using Anahuac guns.  This one is to give the Swiss a heart attack.  ;D


Thrawn's Hand

Firanj Super Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   16,172 t light; 16,776 t standard; 19,000 t normal; 20,703 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   530.00 ft / 530.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.54 m / 161.54 m x 24.38 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns in single mounts, 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline, all amidships
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.98kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1906 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5,545 lbs / 2,515 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70
   4 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   130.00 ft / 39.62 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm     20.00 ft / 6.10 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     380.00 ft / 115.82 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 38 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 ihp / 29,840 Kw = 23.15 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 4,003 tons)

Complement:
   808 - 1,051

Cost:
   £1.948 million / $7.793 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 693 tons, 3.6 %
   Armour: 4,032 tons, 21.2 %
      - Belts: 1,039 tons, 5.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 1,089 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,735 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 169 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 5,714 tons, 30.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,632 tons, 29.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,828 tons, 14.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,658 lbs / 5,741 Kg = 11.5 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
   Metacentric height 6.0 ft / 1.8 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.48 ft / 5.33 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,254 Square feet or 2,904 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 623 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.37
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Desertfox]

Ithekro, Im going to have to kill you  :P

The bad thing is that I cant match it with something faster.

What's with the gun layout? Looks strange.

[Carthaginian]

What's with the gun layout? Looks strange.

It looks like the guns are both grouped in the center so that the armor belt can be as minimal as possible. Still, could it cover the magazines and engines on that ship and be that short? If not, is it really worth building... because it simply becomes a really expensive breakwater. And even if it does cover the parts that go *BOOM* when they get hit, it still has paper-thin (unarmored) ends that can easily be picked at or obliterated, depending on the caliber of gun used, in order to sink it.

[Ithekro]

Actaully that is an err...they should be on the ends.

[Ithekro]

Fixed 1906 cruiser

Thrawn's Hand
Destiny (laid down in 1909)

Firanj Super Cruiser laid down 1906

Displacement:
   16,438 t light; 17,042 t standard; 19,000 t normal; 20,490 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   530.00 ft / 530.00 ft x 80.00 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   161.54 m / 161.54 m x 24.38 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.99" / 330 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,096.51lbs / 497.37kg shells, 1906 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
      12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1906 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1906 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 5,545 lbs / 2,515 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70
   4 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   430.00 ft / 131.06 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   100.00 ft / 30.48 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   400.00 ft / 121.92 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 125 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 40,000 ihp / 29,840 Kw = 23.15 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 12.00 kts (Bunkerage = 3,524 tons)

Complement:
   808 - 1,051

Cost:
   £1.958 million / $7.830 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 693 tons, 3.6 %
   Armour: 4,248 tons, 22.4 %
      - Belts: 2,172 tons, 11.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 782 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,156 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 138 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 5,714 tons, 30.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,732 tons, 30.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,562 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,911 lbs / 5,856 Kg = 11.8 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.37
   Metacentric height 6.2 ft / 1.9 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.32
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.63 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.02 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Mid (50 %):      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Stern:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.48 ft / 5.33 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 124.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 121.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,254 Square feet or 2,904 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 634 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.40
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Carthaginian]

Now it's scary...

[Ithekro]

Fixed Justice.

Justice - 1902
Resolve - 1904

Firanj Super Cruiser laid down 1902

Displacement:
   13,140 t light; 13,623 t standard; 15,000 t normal; 16,042 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   480.00 ft / 480.00 ft x 70.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
   146.30 m / 146.30 m x 21.34 m  x 7.32 m

Armament:
     4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (2x2 guns), 823.82lbs / 373.68kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
     12 - 5.51" / 140 mm guns in single mounts, 83.72lbs / 37.97kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 12.87lbs / 5.84kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
     6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,454 lbs / 2,020 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 70

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   365.00 ft / 111.25 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Ends:   7.00" / 178 mm   115.00 ft / 35.05 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   315.00 ft / 96.01 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 117 % of normal length

  - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   7.00" / 178 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

  - Armour deck: 3.00" / 76 mm, Conning tower: 9.00" / 229 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 27,000 ihp / 20,142 Kw = 21.54 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts (Bunkerage = 2,479 tons)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.500 million / $6.001 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 557 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 4,160 tons, 27.7 %
      - Belts: 1,894 tons, 12.6 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 738 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,410 tons, 9.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 118 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 4,091 tons, 27.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,282 tons, 28.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,860 tons, 12.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,759 lbs / 4,880 Kg = 13.1 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.651
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Stern:      15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 116.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,407 Square feet or 2,360 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 576 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.34
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[maddox]

Why does it feel France is way beyond the  navy of 1906... (because the latest BB build in france was the Greater Napoleon)

[Ithekro]

Well remember, all the French warships up to Greater Napoleon are my fault...though that ship was your idea.  That the French haven't built much of anything new since the last Danton was finished...well that seems to be an internal political problem.   Maybe they were building ships for foreign countries instead of building ships for France?

[maddox]

The disaster of Greater Napoleon and the machiavelisme of Premier Palpaté did put an end on all domestic warship construction. Only the fast flottila ordered in the UKA is modern. All the rest is older than 1900.

1905 was to rough to get the French back on track. And now, another matter arises.

[Ithekro]

Firanj Fleet of the Blue Seas in 1906

2 x Justice class SC
10 x Razia Sultana class PC
10 x Gunboats
20 x Torpedo Boats
2 x Submarines (purchased 120 tons each, 1 x 14" tube)

1 x Hand of Thrawn (to be laid down 1906)
5 French Coastal Defense Battleships (purchased 1906)

[Desertfox]

Small and relatively weak fleet but the Super Cruisers are sure to give the Swiss headaches. Have aspirins been invented yet?

[Ithekro]

Super Cruisers: designed to annoy.   :P

(Call it the moderators' revenge I suppose.)

[swamphen]

Super Cruisers: when it absolutely, positively has got to be sent to Davy Jones overnight.  ;D

I like 'em. Note that the DKB would be willing to sell guns to Firanj...