"Never Going to Be"s

[Nobody]

Concept once developed for France (maddox), but entirely new and just for fun.
SMS Graf Zeppelin, Germany Airship Carrier laid down 1912

Displacement:
   25.593 t light; 26.419 t standard; 30.618 t normal; 33.977 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (885,83 ft / 872,70 ft) x 98,43 ft x (23,62 / 25,62 ft)
   (270,00 m / 266,00 m) x 30,00 m  x (7,20 / 7,81 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1912 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      24 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     24 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      24 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      16 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 17,64lbs / 8,00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 double raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 1,10lbs / 0,50kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft
      Weight of broadside 1.477 lbs / 670 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   523,62 ft / 159,60 m   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
   Ends:   1,57" / 40 mm   349,05 ft / 106,39 m   11,91 ft / 3,63 m
   Upper:   1,18" / 30 mm   523,62 ft / 159,60 m   32,81 ft / 10,00 m
     Main Belt covers 92% of normal length
     Main Belt inclined 30,00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,18" / 30 mm   523,62 ft / 159,60 m   29,53 ft / 9,00 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 65,62 ft / 20,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,15" / 80 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -         1,18" / 30 mm
   3rd:   1,18" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 80.000 ihp / 59.680 Kw = 27,00 kts
   Range 7.000nm at 16,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7.558 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   1.156 - 1.504

Cost:
   £1,701 million / $6,805 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 291 tons, 1,0%
      - Guns: 291 tons, 1,0%
   Armour: 4.097 tons, 13,4%
      - Belts: 1.955 tons, 6,4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 676 tons, 2,2%
      - Armament: 132 tons, 0,4%
      - Armour Deck: 1.268 tons, 4,1%
      - Conning Towers: 66 tons, 0,2%
   Machinery: 5.144 tons, 16,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.182 tons, 49,6%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 5.025 tons, 16,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 880 tons, 2,9%
      - Hull below water: 400 tons
      - Hull above water: 200 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons
      - Above deck: 200 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     111.350 lbs / 50.508 Kg = 1.081,3 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 14,0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10
   Metacentric height 5,8 ft / 1,8 m
   Roll period: 17,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,528 / 0,540
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29,54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,76 ft / 2,06 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00%,  36,09 ft / 11,00 m,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00%,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00%,  26,25 ft / 8,00 m,  26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      47,11 ft / 14,36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 91,2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 571,5%
   Waterplane Area: 58.734 Square feet or 5.457 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 190%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 134 lbs/sq ft or 654 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,84
      - Longitudinal: 4,53
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Zeppelin size:
L   148 m
d   14 m
V   18700 m³
880 tons of fuel and equipment for Zeppelin-handling.

And a variant wide and big enough to handle 2 Zeppelins (side by side) of the next generation:
SMS Graf Zeppelin, German Airship Carrier laid down 1912

Displacement:
   33.581 t light; 34.642 t standard; 42.378 t normal; 48.566 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (997,37 ft / 984,25 ft) x 131,23 ft x (22,97 / 25,48 ft)
   (304,00 m / 300,00 m) x 40,00 m  x (7,00 / 7,77 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5,91" / 150 mm 45,0 cal guns - 99,21lbs / 45,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1912 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      24 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     24 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      24 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 19,84lbs / 9,00kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      16 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 17,64lbs / 8,00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 double raised mounts
      4 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 1,10lbs / 0,50kg shells, 1.500 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck mounts, 1912 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck aft
      Weight of broadside 1.477 lbs / 670 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1,97" / 50 mm   590,55 ft / 180,00 m   19,69 ft / 6,00 m
   Ends:   1,57" / 40 mm   393,67 ft / 119,99 m   13,75 ft / 4,19 m
   Upper:   1,38" / 35 mm   590,55 ft / 180,00 m   32,81 ft / 10,00 m
     Main Belt covers 92% of normal length
     Main Belt inclined 30,00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1,38" / 35 mm   590,55 ft / 180,00 m   26,25 ft / 8,00 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 91,86 ft / 28,00 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3,15" / 80 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm         -         1,18" / 30 mm
   3rd:   1,18" / 30 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 3,15" / 80 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 80.000 ihp / 59.680 Kw = 25,52 kts
   Range 8.000nm at 18,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 13.923 tons (70% coal)

Complement:
   1.476 - 1.919

Cost:
   £1,981 million / $7,923 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 291 tons, 0,7%
      - Guns: 291 tons, 0,7%
   Armour: 5.434 tons, 12,8%
      - Belts: 2.450 tons, 5,8%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 790 tons, 1,9%
      - Armament: 132 tons, 0,3%
      - Armour Deck: 1.877 tons, 4,4%
      - Conning Towers: 186 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 5.144 tons, 12,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 20.912 tons, 49,3%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 8.796 tons, 20,8%
   Miscellaneous weights: 1.800 tons, 4,2%
      - Hull below water: 800 tons
      - Hull above water: 500 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 200 tons
      - Above deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     232.056 lbs / 105.259 Kg = 2.253,5 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells or 41,1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
   Metacentric height 12,4 ft / 3,8 m
   Roll period: 15,7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,500 / 0,516
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7,50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 31,37 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 6,76 ft / 2,06 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15,00%,  36,09 ft / 11,00 m,  32,81 ft / 10,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00%,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m,  59,06 ft / 18,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00%,  26,25 ft / 8,00 m,  26,25 ft / 8,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      47,11 ft / 14,36 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 655,9%
   Waterplane Area: 86.061 Square feet or 7.995 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 231%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 164 lbs/sq ft or 799 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,31
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Zeppelin size:
L   158 m
d   16.6 m
V   27000 m³

1800 tons of fuel and equipment for Zeppelin-handling.

[Nobody]

I was thinking about a multi caliber cost defense ship, but probably not this one (too big and probably illegal). Anyway, what do you think?
The general idea was a small ship and big guns - but only in the forward section, too leave enough space for the machinery.
Siegfried, German Cost defense cruiser Concept 1890

Displacement:
   5.535 t light; 5.832 t standard; 6.316 t normal; 6.703 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (305,12 ft / 295,28 ft) x 59,06 ft x (19,69 / 20,71 ft)
   (93,00 m / 90,00 m) x 18,00 m  x (6,00 / 6,31 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9,45" / 240 mm 35,0 cal guns - 330,69lbs / 150,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     2 x 2-gun mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 - 6,69" / 170 mm 40,0 cal guns - 110,23lbs / 50,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mount, 1890 Model
     1 x 2-gun mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      4 - 6,69" / 170 mm 40,0 cal guns - 110,23lbs / 50,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      12 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 40,0 cal guns - 17,64lbs / 8,00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1890 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      4 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 75,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 2.500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1890 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2.857 lbs / 1.296 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 13,8" / 350 mm, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m torpedoes - 0,224 t each, 0,448 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 13,8" / 350 mm, 14,76 ft / 4,50 m torpedoes - 0,224 t each, 0,895 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   191,93 ft / 58,50 m   9,71 ft / 2,96 m
   Ends:   3,94" / 100 mm   103,31 ft / 31,49 m   9,71 ft / 2,96 m
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   191,93 ft / 58,50 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
     Main Belt covers 100% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      5,91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   5,91" / 150 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   3rd:   5,91" / 150 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      4,72" / 120 mm
   4th:   3,54" / 90 mm   1,18" / 30 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   5th:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 1,18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7,87" / 200 mm, Aft 5,91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4.698 ihp / 3.505 Kw = 15,00 kts
   Range 3.000nm at 11,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 872 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   353 - 460

Cost:
   £0,547 million / $2,187 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 698 tons, 11,1%
      - Guns: 696 tons, 11,0%
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0,0%
   Armour: 2.295 tons, 36,3%
      - Belts: 1.097 tons, 17,4%
      - Armament: 654 tons, 10,4%
      - Armour Deck: 443 tons, 7,0%
      - Conning Towers: 101 tons, 1,6%
   Machinery: 870 tons, 13,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.671 tons, 26,5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 781 tons, 12,4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7.655 lbs / 3.472 Kg = 18,1 x 9,4 " / 240 mm shells or 9,4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
   Metacentric height 3,7 ft / 1,1 m
   Roll period: 12,8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,644 / 0,650
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 48
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  15,45 ft / 4,71 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  15,45 ft / 4,71 m,  15,45 ft / 4,71 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  7,74 ft / 2,36 m,  7,74 ft / 2,36 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  7,74 ft / 2,36 m,  7,74 ft / 2,36 m
      - Average freeboard:      11,67 ft / 3,56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79,4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81,0%
   Waterplane Area: 13.285 Square feet or 1.234 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 554 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,91
      - Longitudinal: 2,32
      - Overall: 1,00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Side turrets are supposed to in a diagonal arrangement.
So, what do you think? Any violations? How am i supposed to handle the torpedos?

[Nobody]

Recreating the first ever indirect-drive turbine ship:
MS Föttinger-Transformator, Settiner Vulcan Experimental laid down 1909

Displacement:
   60 t light; 62 t standard; 76 t normal; 88 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (96,39 ft / 91,04 ft) x 14,27 ft x (4,76 / 5,29 ft)
   (29,38 m / 27,75 m) x 4,35 m  x (1,45 / 1,61 m)

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Hydraulic drive, 1 shaft, 500 shp / 373 Kw = 15,45 kts
   Range 2.000nm at 10,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 27 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   12 - 16

Cost:
   £0,006 million / $0,022 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0,0%
   Machinery: 25 tons, 32,8%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 35 tons, 45,9%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 16 tons, 21,3%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     81 lbs / 37 Kg = 0,7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,43
   Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m
   Roll period: 8,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 40 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0,48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,432 / 0,449
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 9,54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 5,35 ft / 1,63 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  5,25 ft / 1,60 m,  3,94 ft / 1,20 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00%,  3,94 ft / 1,20 m,  3,28 ft / 1,00 m
      - Aft deck:   25,00%,  3,28 ft / 1,00 m,  3,61 ft / 1,10 m
      - Quarter deck:   25,00%,  3,61 ft / 1,10 m,  4,59 ft / 1,40 m
      - Average freeboard:      3,90 ft / 1,19 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,8%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 43,5%
   Waterplane Area: 776 Square feet or 72 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 152%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 28 lbs/sq ft or 137 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1,46
      - Longitudinal: 3,53
      - Overall: 1,59
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability