Mobilization Question

[Darman]

We know how long it takes army units and naval units that have been kept at "mobilized" status on a more-or-less permanent basis.  But how long does it take for an active army unit or active naval unit to mobilize for war?  How long for units/vessels that were in reserve status? 

[Tanthalas]

Used to be same turn for active, and one turn for Reserve.  But IDK if thats the route we are planing to go still. (Mobalised was only necessary to maintain elite status)

We know how long it takes army units and naval units that have been kept at "mobilized" status on a more-or-less permanent basis.  But how long does it take for an active army unit or active naval unit to mobilize for war?  How long for units/vessels that were in reserve status?

[Darman]

Its mostly for fluff but at the same time in a war knowing mobilization times is good for consistent storyline.  For example, if Japan orders mobilization, how long is it before my reserve brigades can take over coast defense duties from the mobilized brigades currently on coast defense duties?  Is it a week?  A month?  Can my active duty army units (at 50% strength) gather their reservists and be at full strength (not necessarily ready to fight yet but all manpower and horses are there) within 7 days?  8?  10?  Two weeks or three?  and how much longer before it is ready to fight?  It appears to me that most WW1 armies had units at 50% active-duty and 50% reservists and they had gathered their reservists and were prepared to fight by Day 11 (France) of mobilization or by Day 15 (Russia).  Say 1 week to gather the reservists and 1 week to fit the reservists in with their units.  So 2 weeks til ready to fight but 1 week for defensive fighting around depots.  Does this make sense?

[Darman]

Mobilized Army Corps
       Unit is fully manned and equipped and is ready to fight or move. 
Active Army Corps
       Unit is at 50% strength and takes 1 week to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required to incorporate reservists into the unit, at which point the unit is ready to move.  An additional week of training is recommended before committing this unit to a fight. 
Reserve Army Corps
       Unit is at 10% strength and takes 4 weeks to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required for incorporation of reservists into the unit, at which the unit is ready to move.  Another 7 weeks of training is required.  A total of 3 months before the reserve unit is ready. 

[Jefgte]

their reservists and were prepared to fight by Day 11 (France)...

On the east border Alsace/ Lorraine, near Fortresses lines,  the reservistes unities are dispo in 48 hours.

Thanks to the good work of the Ministre de la Guerre:
Gaston de Callifet

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Mobilized Army Corps
       Unit is fully manned and equipped and is ready to fight or move. 
Active Army Corps
       Unit is at 50% strength and takes 1 week to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required to incorporate reservists into the unit, at which point the unit is ready to move.  An additional week of training is recommended before committing this unit to a fight. 
Reserve Army Corps
       Unit is at 10% strength and takes 4 weeks to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required for incorporation of reservists into the unit, at which the unit is ready to move.  Another 7 weeks of training is required.  A total of 3 months before the reserve unit is ready.

This seems good to me, tho some of the numbers might have to be tweaked.

[Darman]

Mobilized Army Corps
       Unit is fully manned and equipped and is ready to fight or move. 
Active Army Corps
       Unit is at 50% strength and takes 1 week to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required to incorporate reservists into the unit, at which point the unit is ready to move.  An additional week of training is recommended before committing this unit to a fight. 
Reserve Army Corps
       Unit is at 10% strength and takes 4 weeks to gather reservists and horses.  Another week is required for incorporation of reservists into the unit, at which the unit is ready to move.  Another 7 weeks of training is required.  A total of 3 months before the reserve unit is ready.

This seems good to me, tho some of the numbers might have to be tweaked.

their reservists and were prepared to fight by Day 11 (France)...

On the east border Alsace/ Lorraine, near Fortresses lines,  the reservistes unities are dispo in 48 hours.

Thanks to the good work of the Ministre de la Guerre:
Gaston de Callifet

I was presuming that active formations would have priority for the distribution of available reservists and horses.  The number I got was when the French expected to launch their offensive, not necessarily when frontier units had been brought up to wartime strength.  It would be up to the mods to decide if altering priorities on a unit-to-unit basis is allowable (for example getting reservists to frontier units within 48 hours rather than 7 days). 

[Nobody]

Let me remind you, we have a technology covering some of that question:

1910:[...] can bring units from reserve to active status in seven days.

But I don't remember how it is without that tech or how long mobilization takes.

[Darman]

Let me remind you, we have a technology covering some of that question:

1910:[...] can bring units from reserve to active status in seven days.

But I don't remember how it is without that tech or how long mobilization takes.

I knew we had that tech.  I wanted to know what the context it was set in.  As of right the idea I set out above it takes 3 months before a reserve unit is fully mobilized.  Under the 1910 tech it would take 7 days to gather the troops and another 7 to train and incorporate them into a unit.  Basically as fast as an active unit. 

[Darman]

My suggestion for naval mobilization:

Mobilized warships are available at a moment's notice.  They are always fully provisioned, manned, and coaled immediately upon returning to port. 
Active warships are available on 48 hours notice, they need to be coaled, provisioned, and they need to take on new drafts of crewmen to provide replacements for men lost in action.  If forced to participate in battle before 48 hours is up the warship needs to return to port to take on coal, provisions, ammunition, and to fill out the crew. 
Reserve warships are available on 5 days notice, since active warships have priority on picking up reservists and supplies. 


Sound good?

[Nobody]

My suggestion for naval mobilization:

Mobilized warships are available at a moment's notice.  They are always fully provisioned, manned, and coaled immediately upon returning to port. 
Active warships are available on 48 hours notice, they need to be coaled, provisioned, and they need to take on new drafts of crewmen to provide replacements for men lost in action.  If forced to participate in battle before 48 hours is up the warship needs to return to port to take on coal, provisions, ammunition, and to fill out the crew. 
Reserve warships are available on 5 days notice, since active warships have priority on picking up reservists and supplies.

I like the part for active units. Maybe point out that an active unit which is attacked is capable of defending itself without penalties.

Reserve ships on the other hand should take weeks, better months before they're on active/mobile status. Remember: reserve ships have no crew on board, only some stuff members to keep things organized. They're not much more than mothballs (USS Iowa!).

[Darman]

Revision:

Mobilized warships are available at a moment's notice.  They are always fully provisioned, manned, and coaled immediately upon returning to port. 
Active warships are available on 48 hours notice, they need to be coaled, provisioned, and they need to take on new drafts of crewmen to provide replacements for men lost in action.  If forced to participate in battle before 48 hours is up, there is no combat penalty, however, the warship needs to return to port to take on coal, provisions, ammunition, and to fill out the crew. 
Reserve warships are available on several weeks (4) notice, since active warships have priority on picking up reservists and supplies. 


Sound good?
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