Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Tanthalas]

HEH yes he would, I dont actualy intend to build it (even im not that crazy).  I actualy faild at my intended purpose (which was to get a "capital ship" to 25 knots...

Lord Fischer would be proud, I suppose.

Can I please introduce size caps which have to be developed before one can build such monstrosities? Although it is a bit late for that...

like I said no plans to even lay it down, I actualy got the Idea looking at Fishers Folies and realising that esentialy they were predreads... Lacking a gun larger than the 11" I went for 6 guns instead of the 4X15" used on them.

For Italy, it's not that odd: consider the historical Italia class, laid down in 1876 and displacing 15,000 tons at full load, with a top speed (for Lepanto) of 18.4.

Size caps really make no sense anyway: shipyards were more than capable of building bigger ships (see the great ocean liners of the day), navies simply didn't order them that big.

As to size caps, the building time on this monster atleast would have it almost out of date before I finished construction on it, unless I payed to build it fast (which I honestly cant afford to do) so IMHO there realy isnt a need.

[Jefgte]

Tan,
Forget Fisher,
Thinks Cuniberti

:)

[KWorld]

Or Benedetto Brin!  :)

[Tanthalas]

@Jef im actualy trying to follow Cuniberti, or atleast his principals

@KWorld I actualy kind of skiped the Regina Margherita-class (what RMS Benedetto Brin was a part of) and went strait to a modified Regina Elena class.  Esentialy my first predreads just droped 4X8" and gaind 2X11" because I felt the 11/40 is superior to the 12/35 and I didnt feal that 2 main guns was suficient.  The class im curently building (giving away a secret here) has 4X11/45 and 8X9.2/45, im also building 2 6X9.2/45 ACs curently.

[Tanthalas]

Just for Kicks and Giggles I decided to put together a realistic 20K ton ship... No I cant build it (I dont have an available slip big enough) but it is interesting to see that a ship like this is possible.  It is fast enough to run down most armored Cruisers and armored to resist 8" guns at engagement range.  Like I said I dont plan to build it (yet) but it came out good so I thought I would go ahead and post it.

Ferox, Italia Battle Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   20,000 t light; 20,729 t standard; 22,139 t normal; 23,267 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (787.00 ft / 787.00 ft) x 81.00 ft x (27.00 / 27.97 ft)
   (239.88 m / 239.88 m) x 24.69 m  x (8.23 / 8.53 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 35.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 5,024 lbs / 2,279 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   505.00 ft / 153.92 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   282.00 ft / 85.95 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   505.00 ft / 153.92 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 99 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   4th:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 36,227 ihp / 27,026 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,539 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   906 - 1,179

Cost:
   £1.835 million / $7.340 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 755 tons, 3.4 %
      - Guns: 755 tons, 3.4 %
   Armour: 5,662 tons, 25.6 %
      - Belts: 2,721 tons, 12.3 %
      - Armament: 779 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,992 tons, 9.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 170 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,661 tons, 25.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,831 tons, 35.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,139 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 92 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 92 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,632 lbs / 11,627 Kg = 38.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.43

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.450 / 0.457
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.72 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 28.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 31 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forward deck:   49.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   16.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.76 ft / 6.33 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 174.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 40,668 Square feet or 3,778 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 647 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.02
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

92 tons Misc Weight
25 tons long range wireless
25 tons reserve long range wireless
20 tons improvements to Crew Facilities
10 tons Flag Facilities
  6 tons Improvements to Officers Facilities
  6 Tons Improvements to Capitans Quarters

[Darman]

She'll keep up with the fastest armored cruisers of today's navies.

[Tanthalas]

hmmmm so a 25 knot PCish thing not realy to my tastes (I could only tinclad it) but interesting none the less just because it hits 25 knots on a reasonable hull size.  I still cant build it (due to lack of available slip) but it shows what can be done if one is willing.

RMS Inexcussus, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   17,500 t light; 18,145 t standard; 19,349 t normal; 20,312 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (600.00 ft / 600.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.03 ft)
   (182.88 m / 182.88 m) x 24.38 m  x (8.23 / 8.54 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,696 lbs / 2,130 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.419 t each, 2.514 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   582.00 ft / 177.39 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm     18.00 ft / 5.49 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   2.00" / 51 mm   482.00 ft / 146.91 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 149 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 49,540 ihp / 36,957 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,167 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   819 - 1,066

Cost:
   £2.122 million / $8.489 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 885 tons, 4.6 %
      - Guns: 882 tons, 4.6 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3,079 tons, 15.9 %
      - Belts: 1,239 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armament: 581 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,166 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 93 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 7,741 tons, 40.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,642 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,849 tons, 9.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 156 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 156 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,291 lbs / 4,214 Kg = 14.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.523 / 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.45 ft / 5.01 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 149.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 32,651 Square feet or 3,033 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 85 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 128 lbs/sq ft or 627 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.19
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

OK back to serious ships (for awhile anyway)...  Baring any serious objections this is likley the final on my 1900 BB class, just to clear up any confusion about the layout (till I finish the picture) its like this
          P
X    C      A
          Q
P, Q, and X are 9.2" twins.  A and C are 11" twins.  Unlike my last atempt at this layout it actualy fits (once I figure out where all the 4.7" guns fit anyway there is room just got to locate them all).  As always opinions are welcome, I know the layouts a bit odd but it feads into what I want to do later.

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,096 t standard; 15,036 t normal; 15,788 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.69 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.74 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      6 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      2 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,844 lbs / 2,651 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   149.00 ft / 45.42 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   325.00 ft / 99.06 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 5,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,692 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.475 million / $5.900 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,188 tons, 7.9 %
      - Guns: 1,188 tons, 7.9 %
   Armour: 4,343 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 2,525 tons, 16.8 %
      - Armament: 868 tons, 5.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 805 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 144 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,438 tons, 22.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,407 tons, 29.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,536 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 125 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,165 lbs / 5,518 Kg = 18.3 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.551 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.64 ft / 4.77 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,171 Square feet or 2,246 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 677 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.91
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

125 tons misc weight for whatever I decide I want

[KWorld]

Uhm......  Why would you mount the second 11" turret in C vs X position?  That means that if an enemy is directly astern of you, you can't use your main battery against them, only the secondaries.  The rest of the layout's a bit od, but allows you to save some tonnage at the cost of probably over-warming the magazine of the turret on the centerline.  Which, given that the Italians used cordite as a propellent at this time period, means you're likely to have unexpected magazine explosions in the future (but your designers and crews wouldn't know that).

[Tanthalas]

@KWorld True, in all aspects.  However my logic is evil and warped... This is the leadin for my "Dreadnaughts" and im of 2 minds on what way to go with them.  The Direction I pick will be dictated by which ever 1900 predread I build, so I can go Conventional and end up with somthing rather like South Carolina or Dreadnaught (which is YAWN since thats what everyone will be doing), or I can go with this layout and end up with a super predread rather like a G3 with a 9.2" secondary battery and 6X11/45 in an aB  d arangement... I kind of like the later idea even though OTL noone did it, it would be a "mistake" and add Humor and Variety.

[snip]

G3 you say...

[Tanthalas]

For the main gun arangement only, at that point I depart from Reality off into the realm of "WTH was he thinking"

G3 you say...

[Tanthalas]

slight reworking of my existing REs... IDK freeboard is a bit low over all but they are rathe rstriking looking.

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,126 t standard; 15,067 t normal; 15,820 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (479.43 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.69 ft)
   (146.13 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.74 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      1 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal gun - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck and hoist mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 6,554 lbs / 2,973 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   336.00 ft / 102.41 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   138.00 ft / 42.06 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 5,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,694 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   679 - 883

Cost:
   £1.544 million / $6.174 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,349 tons, 9.0 %
      - Guns: 1,349 tons, 9.0 %
   Armour: 4,366 tons, 29.0 %
      - Belts: 2,464 tons, 16.4 %
      - Armament: 952 tons, 6.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 806 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 145 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,438 tons, 22.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,227 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,567 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 121 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 121 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,297 lbs / 5,124 Kg = 17.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.552 / 0.558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15.95 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  17.20 ft / 5.24 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  17.20 ft / 5.24 m,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  14.50 ft / 4.42 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.87 ft / 4.53 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,198 Square feet or 2,248 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 137 lbs/sq ft or 669 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

122 tons misc weight for whatever I decide I want

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CL project im actualy working on for 1901, opinions welcomed (heck beged for even if I dont necessarily agree with you)

Gyrfalcon, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,650 t standard; 5,016 t normal; 5,309 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (374.00 ft / 374.00 ft) x 54.00 ft x (20.00 / 20.81 ft)
   (114.00 m / 114.00 m) x 16.46 m  x (6.10 / 6.34 m)

Armament:
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      6 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 600 lbs / 272 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   5.00 ft / 1.52 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 15,000 ihp / 11,190 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 659 tons

Complement:
   297 - 387

Cost:
   £0.486 million / $1.943 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 110 tons, 2.2 %
      - Guns: 110 tons, 2.2 %
   Armour: 773 tons, 15.4 %
      - Belts: 205 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armament: 75 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 455 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 38 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,131 tons, 42.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,372 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 516 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 114 tons, 2.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 114 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,253 lbs / 1,476 Kg = 62.7 x 4.7 " / 119 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.71
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 10.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.72

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.435 / 0.442
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   39.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   6.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.85 ft / 4.53 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,727 Square feet or 1,182 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 349 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Vindicator, Italia Armored Cruiser 2nd Class laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   9,000 t light; 9,361 t standard; 10,245 t normal; 10,952 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (420.00 ft / 420.00 ft) x 67.00 ft x (25.60 / 26.92 ft)
   (128.02 m / 128.02 m) x 20.42 m  x (7.80 / 8.21 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.18lbs / 117.11kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     6 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 2,278 lbs / 1,033 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.419 t each, 1.676 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   305.00 ft / 92.96 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   115.00 ft / 35.05 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   292.00 ft / 89.00 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.50" / 64 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,281 ihp / 14,384 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,592 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   508 - 661

Cost:
   £0.914 million / $3.656 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 532 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 530 tons, 5.2 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2,682 tons, 26.2 %
      - Belts: 1,500 tons, 14.6 %
      - Armament: 375 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 807 tons, 7.9 %
   Machinery: 3,013 tons, 29.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,691 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,245 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 85 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 85 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,568 lbs / 4,340 Kg = 37.4 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.72

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.498 / 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.27 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   45.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.55 ft / 5.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,710 Square feet or 1,738 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 501 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.36
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

85 tons Misc Weight
25 tons Long Range Wireless
  8 tons Torpedos/Reloads
52 Tons available for other stuff