Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[snip]

(I wanted AQY but snip more or less told me that was a nonstarter for an AC, and I reluctently agreed with him)

I said it was a questionable fit for that hull that you were trying the AQY 9.2" on.

[Tanthalas]

Can I build Gladius if I promise to build hex layout ships for my first BBs? (I promise I would just for the Variety)

(I wanted AQY but snip more or less told me that was a nonstarter for an AC, and I reluctently agreed with him)

I said it was a questionable fit for that hull that you were trying the AQY 9.2" on.

[Tanthalas]

and her eit is, a Legal (I think) and truely awsome to behold the AC of the Future and all that stuff, I give you the  Gladius Class Armored Cruisers of the Regia Marina (they even apeal to my love of odd layouts how cool is that)
*picture coming soon as I finish it* (yes I actualy plan to build this one)

RMS Gladius, Italia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 13,919 t standard; 15,012 t normal; 15,886 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (530.13 ft / 528.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (26.60 / 27.72 ft)
   (161.58 m / 160.93 m) x 24.38 m  x (8.11 / 8.45 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.01lbs / 117.03kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,156 lbs / 978 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.403 t each, 0.807 t total
   submerged bow tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.403 t each, 1.613 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   408.00 ft / 124.36 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   120.00 ft / 36.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   408.00 ft / 124.36 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   4th:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 31,716 ihp / 23,660 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,967 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.343 million / $5.370 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 456 tons, 3.0 %
      - Guns: 453 tons, 3.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3,500 tons, 23.3 %
      - Belts: 1,930 tons, 12.9 %
      - Armament: 523 tons, 3.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 942 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 105 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 4,956 tons, 33.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,328 tons, 28.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,512 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 259 tons, 1.7 %
      - Hull below water: 16 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 243 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,057 lbs / 5,922 Kg = 51.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 5.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 7.3 ft / 2.2 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 84 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.82

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.468 / 0.475
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.13 ft / 0.65 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.20 ft / 5.85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 144.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,346 Square feet or 2,541 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 548 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.75
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Crew: 37 Officers, 750 Enlisted
259 tons misc. weight
25 tons On deck long range wireless set
8 tons On deck Torpedos 2 per tube
16 tons Below decks Torpedos 8 per tube
210 tons building reserve for future use.

[Nobody]

If you want to build hexagon ships later why don't you build hexagon or diamond ships (6x1 or 2x2+2x1) as forerunners?

...
they even apeal to my love of odd layouts how cool is that
...
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward

What's exactly odd with this layout? besides the two turrets on the forward deck? You should probably choose "distributed" instead.

[Tanthalas]

This layout goes back to N2.XX and N3, majority foreward was what I wanted/intended and for our period that is a "odd" layout (atleast I dont see anyone else planing on using what became OTL the standard layout anytime soon).

If you want to build hexagon ships later why don't you build hexagon or diamond ships (6x1 or 2x2+2x1) as forerunners?

...
they even apeal to my love of odd layouts how cool is that
...
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward

What's exactly odd with this layout? besides the two turrets on the forward deck? You should probably choose "distributed" instead.

[Tanthalas]

Picture of RMS Gladius class Armored Cruisers for anyone thats interested (saves you diging through my ships section to find it)

[snip]

Wow, good looking ship. On my phone or I would comment more

[Nobody]

Nice picture. Looks kind of American.

One thing though. If that's what your ships looks like - with the rear turret being one deck down - then I think you need you have to specify 2 turrets as "one deck up". (personally I find that stupid, but that's what the SpringSharp manual says)

[Darman]

Nice picture. Looks kind of American.

One thing though. If that's what your ships looks like - with the rear turret being one deck down - then I think you need you have to specify 2 turrets as "one deck up". (personally I find that stupid, but that's what the SpringSharp manual says)

I'm pretty sure you can specify one deck down.  OR figure that where the turret currently is is considered the "main deck" because its not a flush-decked design?

[Tanthalas]

the ship is definetly not a flush deck design, the break is just aft of the foreward pair of turrets (the casemates are actualy deck level because they are aft of the break).  as to her looking American I blame the cage masts (Snips idea) but damn did they ever work on this one.

[Jefgte]

Nice drawing Tan.
& powerfull fast cruiser.

Hmmm...
Remove cage masts & instal tripods to have a nicer look.


Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

The lattice masts seem a bit excessively tall for the period, and the forward superstructure a bit short.

Other than that, the SS and the picture don't seem to agree on the layout of the 4.7" and 3" guns.

[Tanthalas]

as to mast height Meh call it artistic lisence (aka I had that cage mast and was to lazy to draw a new one), and the layout of the guns is because as pointed out somewhere (like in the russian ships thread I think) during the drawing process I realised I had made some mistakes and corrected them (the updated SS3 report is in my ships section)

The lattice masts seem a bit excessively tall for the period, and the forward superstructure a bit short.

Other than that, the SS and the picture don't seem to agree on the layout of the 4.7" and 3" guns.

[Delta Force]

I'm not really sure that an extra knot of speed is worth making your armored cruiser 4,000 tons heavier. Even ignoring how turbines will make future ships able to easily reach 23 knots, three armored cruisers are going to be more useful than two with a slight speed advantage.

[Tanthalas]

Are you refering to the 3 extra knots it puts on your AC? if you are honestly I had to go atleast 23 knots to be able to scout for my battle line (you know the one with a 20.5 knot fleet speed which last time I looked was faster than your ACs).  Honestly for Italia speed is king, all my ships are stupid fast for the period (and generaly outgun their potential oponents)

as to Turbines, some realy interesting things happen when I plug them into either the RE hull or this one, like on this hull 25 knots with 8X11" and reasonable armor becomes very possible (what im lazy and I like to reuse things).

I'm not really sure that an extra knot of speed is worth making your armored cruiser 4,000 tons heavier. Even ignoring how turbines will make future ships able to easily reach 23 knots, three armored cruisers are going to be more useful than two with a slight speed advantage.