Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Tanthalas]

This is where I will be posting my post startup ships (or atleast ship proposals)

[Tanthalas]

the First post Startup ship BB-07 RMS Emilia-Romagna Proposed class of 3

Emilia-Romagna, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,045 t standard; 15,046 t normal; 15,847 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.76 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.77 m)

Armament:
      6 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,796 lbs / 2,175 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   308.00 ft / 93.88 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   166.00 ft / 50.60 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   308.00 ft / 93.88 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 5,565nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,802 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   679 - 883

Cost:
   £1.370 million / $5.480 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 866 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 866 tons, 5.8 %
   Armour: 4,573 tons, 30.4 %
      - Belts: 2,534 tons, 16.8 %
      - Armament: 712 tons, 4.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,183 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 144 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,438 tons, 22.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,256 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,546 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 367 tons, 2.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 367 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,679 lbs / 6,205 Kg = 20.6 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.39

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.551 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 99.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,171 Square feet or 2,246 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 129 lbs/sq ft or 630 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

>       8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
>     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
>     8 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread

    Twin casemate mounts?  Going Graf Zeppelin on us?

[Tanthalas]

Nunquam Futurum, Italia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   8,000 t light; 8,299 t standard; 8,974 t normal; 9,514 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (24.20 / 25.24 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 18.29 m  x (7.38 / 7.69 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.01lbs / 117.03kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 1,948 lbs / 884 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   397.00 ft / 121.01 m   9.22 ft / 2.81 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,820 ihp / 14,785 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,215 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   460 - 599

Cost:
   £0.879 million / $3.515 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 464 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 464 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 1,830 tons, 20.4 %
      - Belts: 877 tons, 9.8 %
      - Armament: 280 tons, 3.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 617 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 56 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,097 tons, 34.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,609 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 974 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,190 lbs / 2,808 Kg = 24.2 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.40
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.71

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.456 / 0.464
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 120.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,237 Square feet or 1,694 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 478 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

Hmmm.  Small and inexpensive, main belt and armament are solid enough.  However, has large expanses of unarmored hull beyond and above the belt, secondary armament is lacking in numbers.

[Tanthalas]

Agreed on all points, im not sure I have any intention of building it.  This was more a how small can I make an AC and still have it be effective project.  the wing turrets would be hypotheticly capable of cross deck fire so it gets a 6 gun broadside and hits 22 knots.

before this girl I came up with a 12.5K 23knot expreamly capable AQY AC with 6X9.2/45 (realy it woulda been AXY but same diference for this purpose) AC but I and snip agreed it proly wouldnt have actualy fit.

Hmmm.  Small and inexpensive, main belt and armament are solid enough.  However, has large expanses of unarmored hull beyond and above the belt, secondary armament is lacking in numbers.

[Tanthalas]

Another likley never to be built but interesting Armored Cruiser proposed to the Italian goverment, slightly larger than the preceding proposal it shares more or less the same weapons layout.

RMS Schiavona, Italia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   9,508 t light; 9,873 t standard; 10,601 t normal; 11,184 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (464.00 ft / 464.00 ft) x 55.00 ft x (22.00 / 23.03 ft)
   (141.43 m / 141.43 m) x 16.76 m  x (6.71 / 7.02 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.01lbs / 117.03kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,348 lbs / 1,065 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   395.00 ft / 120.40 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm     69.00 ft / 21.03 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   371.00 ft / 113.08 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 131 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,000 ihp / 17,904 Kw = 22.14 kts
   Range 4,916nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,311 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   522 - 679

Cost:
   £1.043 million / $4.172 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 528 tons, 5.0 %
      - Guns: 528 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 2,606 tons, 24.6 %
      - Belts: 1,522 tons, 14.4 %
      - Armament: 405 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 678 tons, 6.4 %
   Machinery: 3,750 tons, 35.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,549 tons, 24.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,093 tons, 10.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 75 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,335 lbs / 2,874 Kg = 24.7 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.661 / 0.666
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.44 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 130.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,745 Square feet or 1,834 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 89 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 93 lbs/sq ft or 454 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25 tons misc weight long range wireless
50 tons building reserve (or whatever I randomly decide to put on em)

[KWorld]

I'd think, in a cross-decking ship, you're probably going to have to leave off the main-deck level deck mounts, to keep the cross-decking arcs free and to keep the guns and crews from being affected by blast.  The number of casemate mounts are small enough that they should fit in the minimal superstructure a cross-decking ship can have.

[Tanthalas]

if I decide to build one ill draw it, that may (proly would honestly) lead to some rearanging and moving of the secondaries.  as it is, they are mostly just there to hold down the weight they would use.  Honestly unless I can get 23 knots out of one (which I havnt managed yet well not out of one that isnt prohibitivly huge anyway) im not likley to build one (baring one of my allies pushing me to anyway) since my 20.5 knot BBs can hold down the job of an AC anyway.

I'd think, in a cross-decking ship, you're probably going to have to leave off the main-deck level deck mounts, to keep the cross-decking arcs free and to keep the guns and crews from being affected by blast.  The number of casemate mounts are small enough that they should fit in the minimal superstructure a cross-decking ship can have.

[snip]

*pushes hard* YOU NEED HEAVY SCOUTS! *continues pushing*

[Tanthalas]

and finaly the one I like, so I know it must be ilegal... (but look it makes 23 knots) Guns would be hypotheticly capable of cross deck fire as it is (although I could change the layout so they wernt easy enough).  Actualy the First AC I might consider building of all the ones I posted (opinions definetly welcome as if its legal ill lay down 2 in H1)

RMS Gladius, Italia Armoured Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 13,943 t standard; 15,037 t normal; 15,912 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (530.13 ft / 528.00 ft) x 80.00 ft x (26.60 / 27.72 ft)
   (161.58 m / 160.93 m) x 24.38 m  x (8.11 / 8.45 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.01lbs / 117.03kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.01lbs / 117.03kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     1 x Twin mount on sides, aft deck forward
     1 x Twin mount on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, aft evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, aft deck forward
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,672 lbs / 1,212 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.403 t each, 0.807 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   416.00 ft / 126.80 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   112.00 ft / 34.14 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   416.00 ft / 126.80 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 31,757 ihp / 23,691 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,969 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   678 - 882

Cost:
   £1.392 million / $5.567 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 570 tons, 3.8 %
      - Guns: 569 tons, 3.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3,480 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 1,946 tons, 12.9 %
      - Armament: 566 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 864 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 105 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 4,962 tons, 33.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,446 tons, 29.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,537 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 42 tons, 0.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 42 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,296 lbs / 5,577 Kg = 48.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 5.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 7.5 ft / 2.3 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.72

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.468 / 0.476
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.13 ft / 0.65 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.40 ft / 5.61 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 136.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,364 Square feet or 2,542 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 574 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.71
      - Overall: 0.99
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

42 tons misc. weight
25 tons long range wireless set
17 tons Torpedos and misc.

[Nobody]

Well... that gun layout looks very Dreadnought like to me (Von der Tann!), but I'm not sure if that qualifies as illegal.

[Tanthalas]

same thing that bothers me about her, but im not sure its Ilegal or legal under the rules... its not a BB persay (ok its seriously not a BB) and snip was after me to do some hex layout ships (so I did one).  as an experimental class it might be worth while as a leadup to Dreadnaught style ships.

Well... that gun layout looks very Dreadnought like to me (Von der Tann!), but I'm not sure if that qualifies as illegal.

[Nobody]

Let's see. This is what is allowed:

BB/AC Architecture - Main battery in turrets
1880: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate
1890: Mixed main armament or AQY with double turrets+casemates

Your ship is neither. So I think you would either have to go back to 3 turrets (with no more than six guns) or 2 turrets plus casemates (with an "unlimited" number of guns).

[Tanthalas]

I *think* if the wing turrets couldnt cross deck it would be legal (I wanted AQY but snip more or less told me that was a nonstarter for an AC, and I reluctently agreed with him), which was what led to this layout (and 4 turrets instead of 3, I just happend to have the strength to make them twins left over).  As is its clearly a first class cruiser, which is what I need it to be (and its fast enough to be a heavy scout for my battle line)... *glares at the evil rules* nope didnt help they still say its ilegal... *ignores the rules and contemplates how he is going to get this ship aproved*

OH and it should feal like VdT since that was the insperation for it =P (snip wants me to do Hex layouts like I said so I was being agreeable for once)

Let's see. This is what is allowed:

BB/AC Architecture - Main battery in turrets
1880: Main guns in twin turrets, secondaries in casemate
1890: Mixed main armament or AQY with double turrets+casemates

Your ship is neither. So I think you would either have to go back to 3 turrets (with no more than six guns) or 2 turrets plus casemates (with an "unlimited" number of guns).