Post Startup Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana (1900-19XX)

[Tanthalas]

Not for me, but I thought since it came out so freking good I would go ahead and post it up, posibly an export ship for someone?

Budget AC, Whoeveristan Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   11,500 t light; 12,189 t standard; 14,023 t normal; 15,491 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (480.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 71.00 ft x (27.00 / 29.19 ft)
   (146.30 m / 146.30 m) x 21.64 m  x (8.23 / 8.90 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 666.00lbs / 302.09kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 7.50" / 191 mm 45.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,964 lbs / 2,705 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   304.00 ft / 92.66 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   176.00 ft / 53.64 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   304.00 ft / 92.66 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 97 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18,692 ihp / 13,944 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 11,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,302 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   643 - 837

Cost:
   £1.252 million / $5.008 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,178 tons, 8.4 %
      - Guns: 1,178 tons, 8.4 %
   Armour: 3,636 tons, 25.9 %
      - Belts: 1,893 tons, 13.5 %
      - Armament: 787 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 830 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 125 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,921 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,741 tons, 26.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,523 tons, 18.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,794 lbs / 6,710 Kg = 22.2 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.61

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.533 / 0.545
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.76 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   33.50 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.50 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,417 Square feet or 2,176 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 608 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

so hows this for a mixed main battery Battleship.  More or less its a minor redesign of the preceading class but in an odd sort of way I actualy find I like it... this is the last proposal for my 1900 BB class so its either this or the 21 knot AXY ship.  Opinions are definetly welcome.

BB-7 Emilia-Romagna, Italia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,126 t standard; 15,067 t normal; 15,820 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.69 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.74 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 665.99lbs / 302.09kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      1 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal gun - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck and hoist mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 6,554 lbs / 2,973 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   336.00 ft / 102.41 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   138.00 ft / 42.06 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -         1.00" / 25 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21,999 ihp / 16,411 Kw = 20.57 kts
   Range 5,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,694 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   679 - 883

Cost:
   £1.544 million / $6.174 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,349 tons, 9.0 %
      - Guns: 1,349 tons, 9.0 %
   Armour: 4,157 tons, 27.6 %
      - Belts: 2,208 tons, 14.7 %
      - Armament: 999 tons, 6.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 805 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 145 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,437 tons, 22.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,474 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,567 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 83 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 83 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,310 lbs / 5,130 Kg = 17.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 15.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.552 / 0.558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.64 ft / 4.77 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 100.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,194 Square feet or 2,248 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 143 lbs/sq ft or 697 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

83 tons misc weight for whatever I decide I want

[Tanthalas]

yet another AC from me, largley intended as "Colonial" Cruisers/Convoy escorts.  Heavily armed but lightly armored, they could hypotheticly face a first class cruiser but honestly I wouldnt want to do it.  the benifit is they are a ton cheaper than the Gladius class so I can afford to build more of them (Gladius is only going to be a 2 ship class)

*edit to fix the guns*

Cinquedea, Italia 2nd Class Armored Cruiser  laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   8,000 t light; 8,335 t standard; 9,573 t normal; 10,563 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (531.00 ft / 531.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.70 ft)
   (161.85 m / 161.85 m) x 18.29 m  x (7.01 / 7.53 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 2,784 lbs / 1,263 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.419 t each, 2.514 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   410.00 ft / 124.97 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 119 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 18,000 ihp / 13,428 Kw = 21.40 kts
   Range 8,871nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,228 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   483 - 629

Cost:
   £0.920 million / $3.679 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 610 tons, 6.4 %
      - Guns: 607 tons, 6.3 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1,482 tons, 15.5 %
      - Belts: 659 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armament: 225 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 548 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 49 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,812 tons, 29.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,988 tons, 31.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,573 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 108 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 108 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,575 lbs / 3,436 Kg = 19.5 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.46
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.457 / 0.470
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   13.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   44.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   13.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.40 ft / 4.69 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 122.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,444 Square feet or 1,899 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 501 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.40
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

108 tons Misc Weight various uses

[KWorld]

There's a problem:

>       6 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
>     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
>     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward


Other than that, yeah, the light armor would make me leary of using it against another AC, even an older one with somewhat smaller guns.

[Tanthalas]

Good catch thanks man I totaly missed that (as carefully as I went over them to).  I have edited them to reflect actual layout (3 twins)

There's a problem:

>       6 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
>     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
>     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority forward


Other than that, yeah, the light armor would make me leary of using it against another AC, even an older one with somewhat smaller guns.

[KWorld]

The other concern I'd have with this design is the relatively small number of secondary & tertiary guns: you've only got 4 120mm and 4 76mm casemate guns on each beam, and the 76's are subject to being washed out in a seaway.    Myself, I'd want more anti-TB firepower. 

[Nobody]

I don't like this kind of ship, but I understand your reasoning. However, I think there's a problem with your armor. It looks like "all or nothing" which isn't allowed yet.

[Tanthalas]

@ nobody its not realy AoN, what I did (possibly wrongly but it worked) was use the main belt to sim the remander of the turtledeck on a PC and the side skirts that evolved on them in roughly this period.  now what im calling them might not be very accurate but meh I liked the name  ;)

@ Kworld IDK about the smaller guns, its roughly equivilant to what im using on my BBs and identical to what im using on my other ACs...

[KWorld]

@ Kworld IDK about the smaller guns, its roughly equivilant to what im using on my BBs and identical to what im using on my other ACs...

If you're happy with it, I don't mind.  :)  If it were my ship, I'd have more secondaries and tertiaries, but that's me.

[Nobody]

@ nobody its not realy AoN, what I did (possibly wrongly but it worked) was use the main belt to sim the remander of the turtledeck on a PC and the side skirts that evolved on them in roughly this period.  now what im calling them might not be very accurate but meh I liked the name  ;)

Oh, if it's a protected cruiser then that's fine. Avoiding this confusion is one of the reasons why I use the upper belt for PCs.

[Jefgte]

A break in the Italian choices;  Bigger & Faster.
An other choice, the quantity.
I note the tall hull, the low armor, the correct speed & armament.

IMO, the Block Coef is too light.
Built a more compact Cruiser, lenght to beam ratio; 8.85 is too much for a 21kts cruiser.

Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

@Kworld I wouldn't use the term "happy".  "Happy" is definitely not the adverb, or whatever. As a matter of fact, if there's a direct opposite of "happy" that's about where I am. I'm not exactly bad with it, I guess, but I'm definitely sort of anti-happy. On the other hand, I'm in the med, and it fits, so I supose i'll live.

@Jef im comited to the 2 Gladius class units, since I already layed them down, as to the others im trying to come up with somthing to support them... I would realy like to use the 9.2s but if I am willing to use 8" guns it fixes all kinds of things that bother me (like the L-B ratio and the BC)... the truth is if im going to use 3 main gun turrets all centerline though more or less I need to be about as long as I am to have room for everything.

[Tanthalas]

7500 tons light, but only has 8" guns and is only capable of 21 knots... IDK if I like it or not honestly

Cinquedea, Italia 2nd Class Armored Cruiser  laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   7,500 t light; 7,790 t standard; 8,982 t normal; 9,936 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (535.00 ft / 528.00 ft) x 66.00 ft x (19.00 / 20.47 ft)
   (163.07 m / 160.93 m) x 20.12 m  x (5.79 / 6.24 m)

Armament:
      6 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 258.00lbs / 117.03kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.01lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 2,052 lbs / 931 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.419 t each, 2.514 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   377.00 ft / 114.91 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 110 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      2.00" / 51 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,374 ihp / 12,215 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 8,926nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,145 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   460 - 599

Cost:
   £0.791 million / $3.166 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 433 tons, 4.8 %
      - Guns: 430 tons, 4.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1,479 tons, 16.5 %
      - Belts: 621 tons, 6.9 %
      - Armament: 206 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 605 tons, 6.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 47 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,558 tons, 28.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,934 tons, 32.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,482 tons, 16.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 96 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 96 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,715 lbs / 4,407 Kg = 38.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 4.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.475 / 0.487
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.98 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 39 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 22.37 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   41.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   14.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.43 ft / 4.70 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 142.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,708 Square feet or 2,110 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 97 lbs/sq ft or 476 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.19
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

96 tons Misc Weight various uses

[Tanthalas]

Armor is still rather Crapy but its faster, and I think Kworld atleast will like the smaller gun layout better  ;) as always opinions are welcome and its esentialy for the same job all the other light weights are for (Colonial deployment, Convoy protection, and to support its more capable big Sisters)

Lissa, Italia 2nd Class Armored Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   8,494 t light; 8,832 t standard; 9,665 t normal; 10,332 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (464.00 ft / 464.00 ft) x 66.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.18 ft)
   (141.43 m / 141.43 m) x 20.12 m  x (7.32 / 7.68 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 380.00lbs / 172.37kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      10 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.00lbs / 5.90kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 2,090 lbs / 948 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.419 t each, 0.838 t total
   submerged bow tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   388.00 ft / 118.26 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm     76.00 ft / 23.16 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   4th:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 21,060 ihp / 15,710 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 6,046nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,500 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   486 - 633

Cost:
   £0.941 million / $3.765 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 539 tons, 5.6 %
      - Guns: 538 tons, 5.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1,824 tons, 18.9 %
      - Belts: 750 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armament: 287 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 690 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 98 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 3,291 tons, 34.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,760 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,171 tons, 12.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 80 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,904 lbs / 3,132 Kg = 17.7 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 3.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 5.3 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.25
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.75

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.460 / 0.469
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.03 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   13.00 %,  22.50 ft / 6.86 m,  22.50 ft / 6.86 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  22.50 ft / 6.86 m,  22.50 ft / 6.86 m
      - Aft deck:   64.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   13.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.73 ft / 5.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 123.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,704 Square feet or 1,831 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 494 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.85
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

Is 1kts faster realy important ?

Too much 6" guns & not enough 9"2
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I think that the qty minimum of gun in boardside in 1900 is "3"

so, 3x9"2+3x6" is a minimum serious boardside.

Jef