Ships of the Imperial Russian Navy: 1900

[Delta Force]

Somewhat related to this cruiser design, if I have a tonnage reserve for future ship growth (such as masts and additional guns that are not yet fitted) that miscellaneous weight doesn't count for ship construction, right?

[Tanthalas]

Somewhat related to this cruiser design, if I have a tonnage reserve for future ship growth (such as masts and additional guns that are not yet fitted) that miscellaneous weight doesn't count for ship construction, right?

I have always just payed for it (take that as a hint)

[Nobody]

I think 10x12cm is a pretty decent armament for a light cruiser of this time. Remember that the German small cruisers only had (around 10) 105mm guns until about 1914.

[Delta Force]

I was toying around with this design and I think it is possible under the current rules (10 inch guns are not "big guns").

Uniform Battery Battleship, Russia Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 15,659 t standard; 17,210 t normal; 18,451 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 74.00 ft (Bulges 80.00 ft) x (24.00 / 25.59 ft)
   (148.74 m / 146.30 m) x 22.56 m (Bulges 24.38 m)  x (7.32 / 7.80 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 8,240 lbs / 3,738 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   312.00 ft / 95.10 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   168.00 ft / 51.21 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   312.00 ft / 95.10 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   4th:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 16,400 ihp / 12,235 Kw = 18.42 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,793 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   750 - 976

Cost:
   £1.654 million / $6.616 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,847 tons, 10.7 %
      - Guns: 1,847 tons, 10.7 %
   Armour: 5,541 tons, 32.2 %
      - Belts: 2,680 tons, 15.6 %
      - Armament: 1,556 tons, 9.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,018 tons, 5.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 287 tons, 1.7 %
   Machinery: 2,563 tons, 14.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,729 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,210 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 1.9 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,638 lbs / 8,454 Kg = 37.3 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.654 / 0.657
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 110.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,300 Square feet or 2,536 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 709 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tumblehome hull.

Belt and end armor belts cover 12 feet vertically. Belt armor is equivalent to 11.55 inches of vertical armor, end armor is equivalent to 4.62 inches of vertical armor.

Miscellaneous weight:
20 tons hull below water is for 6 x 18 inch torpedo tubes (2 fore, 2 aft, 1 each broadside) with 3 x 1,250 pound torpedoes each.
300 tons above deck reserve weight.

[Nobody]

I was toying around with this design and I think it is possible under the current rules (10 inch guns are not "big guns").

Uniform Battery Battleship, Russia Battleship laid down 1900[...]
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
[...]

Seriously, NO.

And by the way, it's clearly illegal anyway. Ten inchers might not be "big guns", but neither are they small (if they were, you couldn't put them in turrets anyway). Instead they are defined as 8-10" medium-caliber guns are not secondaries, but medium-caliber main guns and as such the normal rules apply.

If you want a ship with that many gig guns, you have to put them in casemates. That would be legal, although it would still be against the spirit of the rules.

[Jefgte]

I agree with Nobody

Jef

[Tanthalas]

I like the idea, but yeah what the other 2 already said... Now there are ways around that restriction that dont violate any rules.

[Darman]

-snipped for brevity-

If you want a ship with that many gig guns, you have to put them in casemates. That would be legal, although it would still be against the spirit of the rules.

So now... Japan designs a harbor defense floating battery with 10 10-inch casemated guns.....

[Delta Force]

I wasn't really planning on building anything like that for a few years anyways. It is an interesting concept though and something that might influence Russian dreadnought design. Perhaps a similar configuration will be seen on the first Russian battlecruisers or light dreadnoughts.

[Delta Force]

The Russian version of the American Pittsburgh class armored cruiser.

Minsk, Russia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   12,530 t light; 13,132 t standard; 14,558 t normal; 15,699 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 70.50 ft x (25.00 / 26.50 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 21.49 m  x (7.62 / 8.08 m)

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      3 raised mounts
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,404 lbs / 1,998 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   394.05 ft / 120.11 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   160.93 ft / 49.05 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   4.00" / 102 mm            -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 23,895 ihp / 17,826 Kw = 21.50 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,568 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   662 - 861

Cost:
   £1.357 million / $5.426 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 996 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 996 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 3,380 tons, 23.2 %
      - Belts: 1,884 tons, 12.9 %
      - Armament: 624 tons, 4.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 744 tons, 5.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 128 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,734 tons, 25.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,383 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,028 tons, 13.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,915 lbs / 5,858 Kg = 25.8 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.51
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.521 / 0.530
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   31.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.08 ft / 5.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,575 Square feet or 2,469 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 600 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.37
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Below-decks miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 submerged broadside 18" 5m wet heater torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-decks miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless installation.

[Tanthalas]

kinda slow isnt it? when there are BBs in service that are only a knot slower (with superior armor and guns)

[Delta Force]

Revised design.

Minskv2, Russia Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,300 t light; 13,918 t standard; 15,391 t normal; 16,569 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (555.00 ft / 555.00 ft) x 70.50 ft x (25.00 / 26.51 ft)
   (169.16 m / 169.16 m) x 21.49 m  x (7.62 / 8.08 m)

Armament:
      6 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      3 raised mounts
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,404 lbs / 1,998 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   435.00 ft / 132.59 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   119.00 ft / 36.27 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     1.00 ft / 0.30 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 121 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm            -
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -         3.00" / 76 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 29,400 ihp / 21,932 Kw = 22.47 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,651 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   690 - 898

Cost:
   £1.504 million / $6.016 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 996 tons, 6.5 %
      - Guns: 996 tons, 6.5 %
   Armour: 3,256 tons, 21.2 %
      - Belts: 1,805 tons, 11.7 %
      - Armament: 553 tons, 3.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 765 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 133 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4,594 tons, 29.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,417 tons, 28.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,091 tons, 13.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.2 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,172 lbs / 5,068 Kg = 22.3 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.32
   Metacentric height 4.9 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.48
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.551 / 0.559
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   17.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   31.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.08 ft / 5.21 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,325 Square feet or 2,539 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 591 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Below-decks miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 submerged broadside 18" 5m wet heater torpedo tubes and 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-decks miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless installation.

[Delta Force]

These two ships are the final evolution of Russian pre-dreadnought and armored cruiser design. With minor variation (such as new engines or fuel) these two ships will be the only capital ships produced until the first IRN dreadnoughts and battlecruisers are built. I might also have a hybrid armored cruiser and battlecruiser design as well, as Russia did build ships based around that concept.

Semi-Dreadnought, Russia Battleship laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   16,000 t light; 16,714 t standard; 18,309 t normal; 19,585 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (488.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 74.00 ft (Bulges 80.00 ft) x (26.25 / 27.91 ft)
   (148.74 m / 146.30 m) x 22.56 m (Bulges 24.38 m)  x (8.00 / 8.51 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 749.99lbs / 340.19kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 9,240 lbs / 4,191 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   312.00 ft / 95.10 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   168.00 ft / 51.21 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   312.00 ft / 95.10 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   3rd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   4th:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   5th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17,520 ihp / 13,070 Kw = 18.61 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,872 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   786 - 1,023

Cost:
   £1.800 million / $7.199 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,923 tons, 10.5 %
      - Guns: 1,923 tons, 10.5 %
   Armour: 6,001 tons, 32.8 %
      - Belts: 3,244 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 1,455 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,002 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 299 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 2,737 tons, 15.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,019 tons, 27.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,309 tons, 12.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 1.7 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,544 lbs / 8,412 Kg = 21.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 89.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 26,856 Square feet or 2,495 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 151 lbs/sq ft or 736 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tumblehome hull.

Belt and end armor belts cover 12 feet vertically. Belt armor is equivalent to 13.86 inches of vertical armor, end armor is equivalent to 5.77 inches of vertical armor.

Miscellaneous weight:
20 tons hull below water is for 6 x 18 inch torpedo tubes (2 fore, 2 aft, 1 each broadside) with 3 x 1,250 pound torpedoes each.
300 tons above deck reserve weight.

Semi-Dreadnought Battlecruiser, Russia Battleship laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   16,800 t light; 17,453 t standard; 19,099 t normal; 20,415 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (508.00 ft / 500.00 ft) x 74.00 ft (Bulges 80.00 ft) x (26.25 / 27.90 ft)
   (154.84 m / 152.40 m) x 22.56 m (Bulges 24.38 m)  x (8.00 / 8.50 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 749.99lbs / 340.19kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 7,192 lbs / 3,262 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   376.00 ft / 114.60 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   124.00 ft / 37.80 m   13.86 ft / 4.22 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   376.00 ft / 114.60 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 116 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   4th:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 8.00" / 203 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 32,000 ihp / 23,872 Kw = 21.70 kts
   Range 8,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,962 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   812 - 1,056

Cost:
   £1.953 million / $7.811 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,461 tons, 7.7 %
      - Guns: 1,461 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 4,940 tons, 25.9 %
      - Belts: 2,955 tons, 15.5 %
      - Armament: 956 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 783 tons, 4.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 246 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 5,000 tons, 26.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,078 tons, 26.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,299 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 320 tons, 1.7 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 300 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,239 lbs / 6,005 Kg = 15.3 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.637 / 0.640
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 62
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,998 Square feet or 2,601 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 685 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.48
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tumblehome hull.

Belt and end armor belts cover 12 feet vertically. Belt armor is equivalent to 11.55 inches of vertical armor, end armor is equivalent to 4.62 inches of vertical armor.

Miscellaneous weight:
20 tons hull below water is for 6 x 18 inch torpedo tubes (2 fore, 2 aft, 1 each broadside) with 3 x 1,250 pound torpedoes each.
300 tons above deck reserve weight.

[KWorld]

Big and pretty scary, as long as the range is such that the 10" guns can be effective against the targets armor.  Upper belt is perhaps a bit light, and there's a gap between the top of the upper belt and the main deck.  Also, the deck armor on the battlecruiser is maybe a bit light, if it is expected to be shot at by heavy caliber guns.  3" anti-TB battery is fine as long as the TBs don't grow too large.

[Jefgte]

Your 2 classes had minor differences.
Built 1 class - 21kts BB