Treaty of Rome

[KWorld]

I noticed that, by it's terms, the Treaty of Rome has now lapsed.  Has a replacement or extension been signed?

[Tanthalas]

it is considerd to be automaticly renewing by the signatories unless otherwise noted (aka someone decides they want out).

I noticed that, by it's terms, the Treaty of Rome has now lapsed.  Has a replacement or extension been signed?

[KWorld]

it is considerd to be automaticly renewing by the signatories unless otherwise noted (aka someone decides they want out).

I noticed that, by it's terms, the Treaty of Rome has now lapsed.  Has a replacement or extension been signed?

OK.  It's an interesting alliance, and one that makes a reasonable amount of sense: the three main users of British designed & built weapons allied, the owner of the Suez canal allied with the colonial overlord of Egypt, etc.  The US is somewhat suspicious of the alliance and what it means for itself, but at least (unlike poor France) it hasn't been singled out in the Treaty text itself.


One thing: I hope we the players will approach alliances with some caution, and not look to build large alliance blocks a la OTL NATO and the Warsaw Pact.  Large locked-up alliances, at least from looking at WesWorld, seem to result in decades where the most exciting thing that happens is an international flying competition.  This is probably because scripting a war between 2 countries is tough enough, let alone 5-8.

[Tanthalas]

Agreed, for Italia this treaty was about securing my exits to the med (anone that dosnt think I had to play nice with the UK just look at the map...).  Also looking at my strategic situation France was the only single nation threat I couldnt handle (seriously in a one on one I would get ROFLSTOMPED), which led to them getting singled out (sorry Jef but IC it just makes sence to cover my Bases).  The UK gets Italy not threatening to cut off the med (I could do it for a little while anyway), and Japan gets support if Spain, Russia, and the dutch decide to get froggy.  all in all it was just a reasonable treaty

it is considerd to be automaticly renewing by the signatories unless otherwise noted (aka someone decides they want out).

I noticed that, by it's terms, the Treaty of Rome has now lapsed.  Has a replacement or extension been signed?

OK.  It's an interesting alliance, and one that makes a reasonable amount of sense: the three main users of British designed & built weapons allied, the owner of the Suez canal allied with the colonial overlord of Egypt, etc.  The US is somewhat suspicious of the alliance and what it means for itself, but at least (unlike poor France) it hasn't been singled out in the Treaty text itself.


One thing: I hope we the players will approach alliances with some caution, and not look to build large alliance blocks a la OTL NATO and the Warsaw Pact.  Large locked-up alliances, at least from looking at WesWorld, seem to result in decades where the most exciting thing that happens is an international flying competition.  This is probably because scripting a war between 2 countries is tough enough, let alone 5-8.

[snip]

From the UK prespective, the Treaty of Rome does several things.

1. Provides for the greater security of our Mediterranean assets through Italian cooperation.
2. Provides for the greater security of our Far Eastern assets through Japaniese cooperation.
3. Allows for more flexibility in peacetime disposion of the fleet due to Japan and Italy having the most powerful battlefleet that can concentrate entirely in there respective regions.
4. Ensures that France is disinclined to cause trouble in the Med due to our potential involvement in any conflict there.
5. Provides support for Japan against nations that would wish to colonies her, theyby altering the balance of power in the Pacific.

The singling out of France is due to both the proximity of French assets to the Japanese Home islands and the Italian homeland. France is viewed as the power that has the greatest ability to harm ether Italy or Japan if unadded. All other powers ether have in the view of the signorities in comparison to Japan and Italy:
A) A lack in comparative power on both a regional and global level.
and/or
B) A lack of ability to sufficiently project there greater global power to secure regional supremacy.

One thing: I hope we the players will approach alliances with some caution, and not look to build large alliance blocks a la OTL NATO and the Warsaw Pact.  Large locked-up alliances, at least from looking at WesWorld, seem to result in decades where the most exciting thing that happens is an international flying competition.  This is probably because scripting a war between 2 countries is tough enough, let alone 5-8.

I don't think that the UK will enter into many more, if any defensive agreements.

[Jefgte]

Decidedly, France finds always itself surrounded by enemies!

Strongly in 1964 and nuclear weapons for my neighbors left me in peace!

[Jefgte]

If states want an alliance with France,
Contact me by MP

[Jefgte]

From the UK prespective, the Treaty of Rome does several things.

1. Provides for the greater security of our Mediterranean assets through Italian cooperation.
2. Provides for the greater security of our Far Eastern assets through Japaniese cooperation.
3. Allows for more flexibility in peacetime disposion of the fleet due to Japan and Italy having the most powerful battlefleet that can concentrate entirely in there respective regions.
4. Ensures that France is disinclined to cause trouble in the Med due to our potential involvement in any conflict there.
5. Provides support for Japan against nations that would wish to colonies her, theyby altering the balance of power in the Pacific.

The singling out of France is due to both the proximity of French assets to the Japanese Home islands and the Italian homeland. France is viewed as the power that has the greatest ability to harm ether Italy or Japan if unadded. All other powers ether have in the view of the signorities in comparison to Japan and Italy:
A) A lack in comparative power on both a regional and global level.
and/or
B) A lack of ability to sufficiently project there greater global power to secure regional supremacy.

I already have a huge empire, I do not need other conquests

[Delta Force]

Jefgte, have you tried going for an alliance with the Iberians and Dutch? You all have colonies close to each other in Africa and Asia and could work together on defense.

[Jefgte]

Jefgte, have you tried going for an alliance with the Iberians and Dutch? You all have colonies close to each other in Africa and Asia and could work together on defense.

That could be an interresting alliance.

Iberians, Dutch...
Ottomans...
Russia...
USA...
Germany + France is probably the best alliance vs British but historicaly, difficult to made...

I m open to all possibilities.

Jef

[Tanthalas]

Jef, I understand France dosnt want/need more teritory.  However OTL (which is what everything prestartup is more or less based on) Italy was scared to death France was going to invade them again (hence the France section of the treaty).  Italy dosnt honestly want to fight anyone (ok ok so I want to take a chunk out of the Ottomans thats personal though and has nothing to do with the sim honestly). 

Potential Italian Foes
A-H: One on one Italia could atleast hold her own
Iberia: nothin personal Logi but it would be rather one sided at sea atleast
Ottomans: See Iberia
UK: can cut me off then cut me to shreds (hence the reason for the treaty)
France: without help im boned, without any lube... Which is why Italy joind the tripple alliance OTL.  The question is would France rather Italy be allied with a mostly friendly UK, or a higly hostile (as per OTL remember) Germany?

Honestly I just want to be left alone to build ships in peace, although my RM will have a distinctly german feal to it (what I like Derflinger and friends).  I will be perfectly happy to go the entire sim without ever having to send my navy into harms way (not likley but I would be happy with it all the same)

In conclusion, Italia dosnt see any need for aditional treaties this one met her requirements entierly (although Mutual non agression pacts dont count as treaties do they?)

[Darman]

Japan has neither the capabilities nor the desire to participate in a global war, Japan is a regional power.  The Triple Alliance adds to Japan's responsibilities as a regional power (helping to police UK territories and support UK and Italian interests) but it also enables Japan to be reasonably certain that in a global conflict (and lets face it, pretty much every power Japan would be going to war with has global reach) she has a global support network.  It wouldn't be fair after all, for a nation to be able to target Japan from their colonies and yet their homeland remains out of reach of any Japanese response.  Now Japan has the diplomatic support she needs to backstop her regional influence.