Need some designs, Austria-Hungary

[miketr]

Austria-Hungary considers a 1st class BB design.

BB-1900, A-H Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,001 t light; 13,711 t standard; 14,432 t normal; 15,008 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (451.12 ft / 451.12 ft) x 72.18 ft x (25.43 / 26.27 ft)
   (137.50 m / 137.50 m) x 22.00 m  x (7.75 / 8.01 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,380 lbs / 2,894 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   293.21 ft / 89.37 m   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   157.87 ft / 48.12 m   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
   Upper:   9.45" / 240 mm   293.21 ft / 89.37 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   8.27" / 210 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   4.72" / 120 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,850 ihp / 11,078 Kw = 18.50 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,297 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   657 - 855

Cost:
   £1.279 million / $5.117 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,237 tons, 8.6 %
      - Guns: 1,235 tons, 8.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 5,424 tons, 37.6 %
      - Belts: 2,986 tons, 20.7 %
      - Armament: 1,138 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,124 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 176 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,320 tons, 16.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,756 tons, 26.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,431 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 264 tons, 1.8 %
      - Hull below water: 240 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 24 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,717 lbs / 6,676 Kg = 17.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.31

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,040 Square feet or 2,233 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 639 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

24 tons for torpedo's (4 loads and two reloads each)
240 tons of ballast

[Jefgte]

4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

Twin mounts...

;)

[KWorld]

You may want to move the torpedoes below-deck, above deck they're vulnerable to exploding if they're hit by a 9-pounder.

[miketr]

I really do NOT like this design that I a came up with.

More than double the size to get 1 more knot of speed?!? compared to this design.

http://www.navalism.org/index.php/topic,5979.msg78663.html#msg78663

I was hoping to go to a 10K design to get 22 knots and roughly same weapons.  I will have to rethink this.

AC-1900, A-H Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   12,200 t light; 12,642 t standard; 14,094 t normal; 15,255 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (482.28 ft / 482.28 ft) x 68.90 ft x (26.25 / 27.97 ft)
   (147.00 m / 147.00 m) x 21.00 m  x (8.00 / 8.53 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   452.76 ft / 138.00 m   9.97 ft / 3.04 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     29.53 ft / 9.00 m   9.97 ft / 3.04 m
     Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,713 shp / 16,944 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,613 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   646 - 840

Cost:
   £1.423 million / $5.693 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 515 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 512 tons, 3.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2,639 tons, 18.7 %
      - Belts: 1,096 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armament: 426 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,043 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 74 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 5,678 tons, 40.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,356 tons, 23.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,893 tons, 13.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,195 lbs / 3,263 Kg = 17.1 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 3.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.62
   Metacentric height 6.4 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 11.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.47

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.566 / 0.574
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.96 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.27 ft / 4.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,532 Square feet or 2,186 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 511 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[miketr]

You may want to move the torpedoes below-deck, above deck they're vulnerable to exploding if they're hit by a 9-pounder.

4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.71lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread

Twin mounts...

;)

Made suggested changes.

BB-1900-a, A-H Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,001 t light; 13,711 t standard; 14,432 t normal; 15,008 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (451.12 ft / 451.12 ft) x 72.18 ft x (25.43 / 26.27 ft)
   (137.50 m / 137.50 m) x 22.00 m  x (7.75 / 8.01 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 829.70lbs / 376.35kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 6,380 lbs / 2,894 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.472 t each, 1.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   293.21 ft / 89.37 m   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   157.87 ft / 48.12 m   10.20 ft / 3.11 m
   Upper:   9.45" / 240 mm   293.21 ft / 89.37 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.6" / 320 mm   8.27" / 210 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   7.09" / 180 mm   4.72" / 120 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   3rd:   4.72" / 120 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.78" / 350 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 14,850 ihp / 11,078 Kw = 18.50 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,297 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   657 - 855

Cost:
   £1.279 million / $5.117 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,118 tons, 7.8 %
      - Guns: 1,115 tons, 7.7 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 5,379 tons, 37.3 %
      - Belts: 2,975 tons, 20.6 %
      - Armament: 1,104 tons, 7.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,124 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 176 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 2,320 tons, 16.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,859 tons, 26.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,431 tons, 9.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 324 tons, 2.2 %
      - Hull below water: 300 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 24 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,658 lbs / 6,649 Kg = 16.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.49
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.614
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.24 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m,  9.84 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,040 Square feet or 2,233 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 637 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

24 tons for torpedo's (4 loads and two reloads each)
300 tons of ballast


Michael

[KWorld]

On the AC, take a look at my USS Georgia, it's about the right size for what you're looking for, and with 1900 engines can probably be modified to be close to what you want.  At least it's a starting point.

[KWorld]

It's based on USS Georgia, but then modified to be more like what you came up with.

SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   9,820 t light; 10,257 t standard; 11,018 t normal; 11,627 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (7.00 / 7.30 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.39lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.55lbs / 4.79kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   388.78 ft / 118.50 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   103.31 ft / 31.49 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,764 ihp / 16,982 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,370 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   537 - 699

Cost:
   £1.043 million / $4.172 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 514 tons, 4.7 %
      - Guns: 514 tons, 4.7 %
   Armour: 2,569 tons, 23.3 %
      - Belts: 1,055 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armament: 439 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,011 tons, 9.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 63 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,557 tons, 32.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,168 tons, 28.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,199 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,153 lbs / 3,698 Kg = 19.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.48

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.520 / 0.526
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   13.00 %,  18.86 ft / 5.75 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   49.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   8.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.98 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 114.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,914 Square feet or 2,036 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 518 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.36
      - Overall: 1.01
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.

[miketr]

KWORLD Thank you, that served as a base for this design.

AC-1900, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10,501 t light; 10,932 t standard; 11,722 t normal; 12,353 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (7.00 / 7.30 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,587 lbs / 1,174 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   413.39 ft / 126.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.74 ft / 24.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,082 ihp / 19,457 Kw = 22.50 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,421 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   563 - 732

Cost:
   £1.139 million / $4.558 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 514 tons, 4.4 %
      - Guns: 514 tons, 4.4 %
   Armour: 2,706 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 1,069 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armament: 438 tons, 3.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,133 tons, 9.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,075 tons, 34.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,194 tons, 27.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,220 tons, 10.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 0.1 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,719 lbs / 3,501 Kg = 18.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.46
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.553 / 0.559
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   13.00 %,  18.86 ft / 5.75 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   49.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   8.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.98 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,604 Square feet or 2,100 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 510 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.

[KWorld]

Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself.  Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy.  But it's not my ship.  :)

[Tanthalas]

with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline.  In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)

Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself.  Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy.  But it's not my ship.  :)

[miketr]

with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline.  In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)

Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself.  Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy.  But it's not my ship.  :)

Its not final design, I can double the 70/47mm guns with no real effort.  Since A-H BB's are 18 knot designs a 22.5 knot design is a real bonus.  Also this will odds are be built for the Black Sea.  If no one buys the 4 BP I have for sale then it will be a two ship both in the Adriatic.

Michael 

[Tanthalas]

Depending on who else has BP to offer for Sale, Italia may be interested in the ones your offering likley as 500 ton DDs without guns (since I use a mismash of German and British guns) but it all depends at this point...

with 20.5 knot BBs in service I cant justify a 22 knot AC weighing only 3K tons less than them... However I imagine the mission for these would be as raiders/fast heavy scouts for the battleline.  In that mission they would chew up my PCs so I would have to say its a reasonable ship. (outside the sorta light anti TB/DD battery)

Don't know that I'd be happy with only 2 70mms and 2 3-pounders on each side as TB defenses myself.  Given how narrow the seas where the Austrians operate are...... no, I wouldn't be happy.  But it's not my ship.  :)

Its not final design, I can double the 70/47mm guns with no real effort.  Since A-H BB's are 18 knot designs a 22.5 knot design is a real bonus.  Also this will odds are be built for the Black Sea.  If no one buys the 4 BP I have for sale then it will be a two ship both in the Adriatic.

Michael

[miketr]

So broadside of four 70mm and four 47mm for anti-torpedo boat work.

Michael

AC-1900-b, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10,500 t light; 10,940 t standard; 11,730 t normal; 12,362 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (22.97 / 23.94 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (7.00 / 7.30 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 103.86lbs / 47.11kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 10.56lbs / 4.79kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts - superfiring
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts layout not set
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,642 lbs / 1,199 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   413.39 ft / 126.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm     78.74 ft / 24.00 m   9.71 ft / 2.96 m
     Main Belt covers 129 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 26,097 ihp / 19,468 Kw = 22.50 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,422 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   563 - 732

Cost:
   £1.143 million / $4.570 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 525 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 525 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 2,714 tons, 23.1 %
      - Belts: 1,069 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armament: 445 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,134 tons, 9.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 66 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 4,078 tons, 34.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,165 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,230 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 0.2 %
      - Hull below water: 19 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,703 lbs / 3,494 Kg = 18.3 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.38

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.554 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   13.00 %,  18.86 ft / 5.75 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   49.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   8.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.98 ft / 4.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 129.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,612 Square feet or 2,101 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 104 lbs/sq ft or 506 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.

7 tons of ballast

[KWorld]

>    4 x Single mounts layout not set

[KWorld]

And here's an alternative AC for Austria:

SMS Belgrade, Austria-Hungary Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10,805 t light; 11,340 t standard; 12,146 t normal; 12,790 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492.13 ft / 492.13 ft) x 65.62 ft x (24.61 / 25.62 ft)
   (150.00 m / 150.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (7.50 / 7.81 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 45.0 cal guns - 425.38lbs / 192.95kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 45.0 cal guns - 211.07lbs / 95.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 2.76" / 70.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 9.92lbs / 4.50kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,562 lbs / 1,616 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   388.78 ft / 118.50 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ends:   3.94" / 100 mm   103.31 ft / 31.49 m   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Upper:   3.94" / 100 mm   388.78 ft / 118.50 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.91" / 150 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 24,260 ihp / 18,098 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,451 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   578 - 752

Cost:
   £1.157 million / $4.627 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 661 tons, 5.4 %
      - Guns: 661 tons, 5.4 %
   Armour: 3,184 tons, 26.2 %
      - Belts: 1,833 tons, 15.1 %
      - Armament: 484 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 800 tons, 6.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 67 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,791 tons, 31.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,133 tons, 25.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,340 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 37 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8,217 lbs / 3,727 Kg = 19.5 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.38
   Metacentric height 4.7 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.535 / 0.541
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   14.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   49.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   7.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.31 ft / 4.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 120.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,222 Square feet or 2,064 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 92 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 107 lbs/sq ft or 523 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Below-water miscellaneous weight accounts for 4 18" submerged broadside torpedo tubes, with 8 reload torpedoes.

Above-deck miscellaneous weight allows for a long-range wireless set.