Anyone have some concreat information on

[Tanthalas]

How big VTEs actualy were?  im only curious cause I personaly have no clue but was diging around today and found pics of a couple british ones and american ones from USS Wisconsin, and USS Olympia... None of them actualy looked all that large.

[KWorld]

How big VTEs actualy were?  im only curious cause I personaly have no clue but was diging around today and found pics of a couple british ones and american ones from USS Wisconsin, and USS Olympia... None of them actualy looked all that large.

Well, there's some info here: http://www.cityofart.net/bship/engine.html

The really big ones, like on the big ocean liners, could be 30 feet high and probably 2-3 times that in length. 


Info on the VTEs that powered the Liberty ships is here:

http://liberty-ship.com/html/topics/engine.html

It's 19 feet high, 21 feet high, weighs 135 tons, and generated 2500 horsepower.

[Tanthalas]

Thanks Kworld that actualy helps with what im trying to figure out.  the reason I was looking is I started drawing my newest BB and honestly im not sure the layout im using will work on the length I have LOL.  that one more centerline turret is IMHO TIGHT, especialy since I made it an ACY layout (with an 8" twin in the Y posistion).  It looks hella cool, but IDK about the internal arangements (ok so realy I do know... I dont think I have room for the engines)

[Tanthalas]

Some realy good pictures here to, and yes BTW this is where I got my wild hair idea about puting turrets on the wings with turrets at both ends... to bad that turned out ilegal (I realy liked that ship still do for that matter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Jaur%C3%A9guiberry

[Jefgte]

Much plans of the French Navy are now free & You can load them as you want.

http://www.servicehistorique.sga.defense.gouv.fr/02fonds-collections/banquedocuments/planbato/planbato/listebato/listebato.php

Have fun time  :)  :)  :)

Jef

Ex: Look at "Cuirassé Garde cotes Bouvines" plan ...3A
Danton: ...C007
CC Dupleix: ...07

[Tanthalas]

ZOMG Jef I love that site, TY TY TY TY TY *breaks out his very very rusty french (what I took it in High school, and chicks dig it)  Now I totaly hope I got this right (like I said my french is realy realy rusty).  Les points de bonus a Jef pour me trouver un site que je n'avais pas.  (and remember my french is learnd not functional and im sure my word useage sucks)

[Nobody]

No exact data, but very big. Apparently they were the main reason why battleships before Dreadnought did not exceed 20 knots, because that would have required engines extending above the armor deck. Such ships did exist (as protected cruisers) with a turtle deck extending higher above the engines then elsewhere.

[KWorld]

Some realy good pictures here to, and yes BTW this is where I got my wild hair idea about puting turrets on the wings with turrets at both ends... to bad that turned out ilegal (I realy liked that ship still do for that matter)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_battleship_Jaur%C3%A9guiberry

If you went with wing turrets of smaller guns than your mains, like the above ship, you'd probably be fine by the rules (you'd be in the "medium main battery" exception).

[Guinness]

The height mattered quite a bit. This was because of piston speed. Short squat engines would have to move faster, and faster moving pistons meant more vibration. In warships, VTE engines generally weren't laid on their sides because of insufficient space to lay two or more along side each other.

One compromise the Brits tried in protected cruisers (which I know now thanks to Friedman's new book) was allowing the engines to pierce the armored deck, and building up armor around their tops, similar to what several navies did with uptakes. Still this seemed to be unsatisfactory, and may have contributed to the move from protected to armored cruisers.

[Tanthalas]

I have actualy learnd alot from this thread (its part of the reason my latest ships are sooooo long.  Honestly to do what im doing its what you would have needed in this period.