Russian Navy Ships

[KWorld]

The 3" guns should be firing  shells of around 11 pounds, see http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_29-50_m1891.htm.


Also, I wouldn't recommend reload torpedoes on a vessel this sizw.  First off, you don't have enough weight for them (6 * 1250 i= 7500, and that's just torps. not the tubes). secondm reloading will be a real; problem on a vessel this size.

[Delta Force]

The 3" guns should be firing  shells of around 11 pounds, see http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussian_29-50_m1891.htm.


Also, I wouldn't recommend reload torpedoes on a vessel this sizw.  First off, you don't have enough weight for them (6 * 1250 i= 7500, and that's just torps. not the tubes). secondm reloading will be a real; problem on a vessel this size.

How do we get the total system weight for torpedoes? All it gives me is torpedo weights. Do you have to save, reload, and then put what it says into miscellaneous weights?

[KWorld]

The weight SS3 shows in the Distribution of Weights is what it thinks the system weighs, that number doesn't change.  What saving and reloading does is causes SS3 to actually apply the weights for torpedoes and mines to the design.

[Delta Force]

I've got torpedoes of the same size coming out with different weights on different ships. What should I do about that?

[Tanthalas]

Same year on the ships? I had that issue and just plunked on the misc weight from the rules and said piss on it.

I've got torpedoes of the same size coming out with different weights on different ships. What should I do about that?

[snip]

We might have to go back to a fixed misc weight for torps. For now, budget for more then you need. The mods will talk about it.

[Delta Force]

Same year on the ships? I had that issue and just plunked on the misc weight from the rules and said piss on it.

I've got torpedoes of the same size coming out with different weights on different ships. What should I do about that?

No, but same dimensions. No reason why an 1898 torpedo should weigh 20% more than an 1895 torpedo of the exact same dimensions.

[KWorld]

Same year on the ships? I had that issue and just plunked on the misc weight from the rules and said piss on it.

I've got torpedoes of the same size coming out with different weights on different ships. What should I do about that?

No, but same dimensions. No reason why an 1898 torpedo should weigh 20% more than an 1895 torpedo of the exact same dimensions.

Actually, there are reasons, that don't impact the torpedo itself: better sights, for example, more robust mounts , etc. 

[Tanthalas]

Agreed, but in my case they are all the exact same year, on the exact same mount... nope im not real proud of the SS3 torpedo weigbht thing.

Same year on the ships? I had that issue and just plunked on the misc weight from the rules and said piss on it.

I've got torpedoes of the same size coming out with different weights on different ships. What should I do about that?

No, but same dimensions. No reason why an 1898 torpedo should weigh 20% more than an 1895 torpedo of the exact same dimensions.

Actually, there are reasons, that don't impact the torpedo itself: better sights, for example, more robust mounts , etc.

[Delta Force]

So, any ideas on what to do with my last 0.14 tons of construction?

Also, any historical precedent for having ships of the same class have different naming conventions? I am considering naming my European based destroyers after rivers while my Caspian and Pacific based ones will be named after lakes.

[Delta Force]

So, any ideas on what to do with my last 0.14 tons of construction?

Also, any historical precedent for having ships of the same class have different naming conventions? I am considering naming my European based destroyers after rivers while my Caspian and Pacific based ones will be named after lakes.

Looks like it will be 10.14 tons. Any recommendations?

[Delta Force]

Thoughts on these as Black Sea ships? The first one is the same as my "finalized" 2nd Class BB, except for a shorter belt (the other one was so tall it was mostly underwater) and a range reduction of 1,000 miles. The second one is more of a classic coastal defense ship with lighter armor.

Tumblehome 2nd Class BB2, Russia Battleship laid down 1897

Displacement:
   6,210 t light; 6,505 t standard; 6,880 t normal; 7,180 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 292.00 ft) x 72.00 ft (Bulges 78.00 ft) x (17.50 / 18.18 ft)
   (91.44 m / 89.00 m) x 21.95 m (Bulges 23.77 m)  x (5.33 / 5.54 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,816 lbs / 1,277 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   9.24 ft / 2.82 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   102.00 ft / 31.09 m   9.24 ft / 2.82 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,357 ihp / 3,997 Kw = 15.13 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 674 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   377 - 491

Cost:
   £0.576 million / $2.306 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 599 tons, 8.7 %
      - Guns: 599 tons, 8.7 %
   Armour: 2,715 tons, 39.5 %
      - Belts: 1,538 tons, 22.3 %
      - Armament: 446 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 576 tons, 8.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 156 tons, 2.3 %
   Machinery: 878 tons, 12.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,997 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 670 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,473 lbs / 4,751 Kg = 20.9 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.61
   Metacentric height 6.8 ft / 2.1 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.16
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.604 / 0.607
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.74 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.09 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,436 Square feet or 1,434 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 564 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.35
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tumblehome hull.

Belt and end armor belts cover 8 feet vertically. Belt armor is equivalent to 13.86 inches of vertical armor, end armor is equivalent to 5.77 inches of vertical armor

Miscellaneous weight:
20 tons hull below water is for 6 x 18 inch torpedo tubes (2 fore, 2 aft, 1 each broadside) with 3 x 1,250 pound torpedoes each.

Tumblehome 2nd Class BB2v2, Russia Battleship laid down 1897

Displacement:
   4,700 t light; 4,964 t standard; 5,278 t normal; 5,529 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (270.00 ft / 262.00 ft) x 62.00 ft (Bulges 68.00 ft) x (17.50 / 18.25 ft)
   (82.30 m / 79.86 m) x 18.90 m (Bulges 20.73 m)  x (5.33 / 5.56 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 500.01lbs / 226.80kg shells, 60 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 89.99lbs / 40.82kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 360 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2,816 lbs / 1,277 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   9.24 ft / 2.82 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm     92.00 ft / 28.04 m   9.24 ft / 2.82 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   170.00 ft / 51.82 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,640 ihp / 3,461 Kw = 15.13 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 566 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   309 - 402

Cost:
   £0.507 million / $2.028 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 599 tons, 11.3 %
      - Guns: 599 tons, 11.3 %
   Armour: 1,778 tons, 33.7 %
      - Belts: 975 tons, 18.5 %
      - Armament: 343 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 330 tons, 6.3 %
      - Conning Towers: 131 tons, 2.5 %
   Machinery: 761 tons, 14.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,542 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 578 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.4 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,446 lbs / 2,924 Kg = 12.9 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.34

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.593 / 0.595
   Length to Beam Ratio: 3.85 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.19 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 11,798 Square feet or 1,096 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 558 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 2.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Tumblehome hull.

Belt and end armor belts cover 8 feet vertically. Belt armor is equivalent to 9.24 inches of vertical armor, end armor is equivalent to 4.62 inches of vertical armor.

Miscellaneous weight:
20 tons hull below water is for 6 x 18 inch torpedo tubes (2 fore, 2 aft, 1 each broadside) with 3 x 1,250 pound torpedoes each.

[Tanthalas]

Holy frekin slow... that is all.

[Delta Force]

Holy frekin slow... that is all.

Coastal battleships aren't exactly known for their speed.

[Tanthalas]

True, but I assume its for Baltic use, where it will likley be facing the massive Ottoman shore batteries, or the Ottoman BBs (which while slow have larger guns and better armor protection), or far east service where its likley oponants are the IJN BBs or their shore batteries... I just dont think it would fare very well against either potential foe.

Holy frekin slow... that is all.

Coastal battleships aren't exactly known for their speed.