Iberian Navy

Started by Logi, September 20, 2012, 08:34:32 PM

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snip

In addition to Tan's comments, I also question the beam. I dont think 50ft is quite enough
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Logi

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 28, 2012, 04:47:08 PM
Not even protected against its own guns at any reasonable engagement range.  The reasons noone built ships like this OTL, I dont know them all but I do know Rate of Fire (or in most cases the lack there of) was a Major Factor.  Secondly at 18 knots she will get run down my most any AC, which is armored to kill her while the 3" armor would be just enough to arm the fuses on say an 8" shell.
It's supposed to be an overgrown protected cruiser - since when do they have protection against their own guns?

Also you realize this is a protected cruiser armor scheme - 3" is quite a bit for such a ship - they typically had 1-2" throughout the whole protected cruiser period. The heaviest was 4" flat or 6" selective with 2" everywhere else.

Also what is "armored to kill her"? I assume you meant armed to kill her? Otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

Quote from: snip on September 28, 2012, 04:52:51 PM
In addition to Tan's comments, I also question the beam. I dont think 50ft is quite enough
I had to look at quite a bit of blueprints. From the Maine class I approximated about 35' beam or slightly less for the 12" gun - which makes 50' for 11" twins perfectly reasonable. We can also note that the later Deustcheland class cruiser (of WW2 period) used 70 beam at maximum to house triple 11" guns and from pictures - still had a good amount of space.

Now 40' or less is pushing it.

KWorld

It's essentially a slightly more modern and much smaller version of the Italia class ships.  If I have any available and I have to fight these, I send in the TBs or destroyers: with only 3 medium guns without ammo hoists per side it's shark food.

Tanthalas

Logi I have been trying to be diplomatic, as such I havnt mentiond things like all your ships having the efective freeboard of a Torpedo Boat, or the fact that the guns you have on alot of them have literaly NO way of fiting.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Logi

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 28, 2012, 08:01:28 PM
Logi I have been trying to be diplomatic, as such I haven't mentioned things like all your ships having the effective freeboard of a Torpedo Boat, or the fact that the guns you have on a lot of them have literally NO way of fitting.
Do I have to go through this again - just like the last time I drew out the entire ship just to show you it does - in fact - fit? I'm am very certain the weaponry can all fit - in fact there are ships of a similar length and size OTL that carried even more than my designs do. I pointed them out just a few pages ago.

I don't want to have to calculate the bow wave height again just to show you that at the low low speeds the ships are going as well as their area of operations at they have enough freeboard to function.

And I have been diplomatic - the only place I think you would be mistaken about my intent is here:
QuoteAlso what is "armored to kill her"? I assume you meant armed to kill her? Otherwise I'm not sure of your point.
I was genuinely confused - I thought the intention of your passage was that the armor was so thin so why state that ships would be able to penetrate it's armor again? So I was thinking perhaps you didn't miswrite but rather meant armored for the get-go in which case I didn't know what you intended to point out.

snip

On the last design, 9' of freeboard does not give much, if any margion of error in any sort of weather. Also, seeing as she has AC class guns, the 6" will have to be in casemates, not deck mounts.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

whatever Logi, I will tell you exactly what I told you when you ran the RRC, build whatever you want but if and when you get into a war with someone dont whine if it gets sunk in Job Lots.  If you want to waste your already limited BP on ships that will be worthless for anything other than looking nice in a Harbor that is your business.  From this point on all I will point out on your ships is rules violations.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Logi

Quote from: snip on September 28, 2012, 09:52:28 PM
On the last design, 9' of freeboard does not give much, if any margion of error in any sort of weather.
From the bow wave calculations it produces a crest of 1.078 meters at 18 kts. So we'll assume the total wave height as the summation of the absolute value of the wave heights so we double the magnitude of the function.

So 2.157 meters tall. But this decreases over time. So the ship has a leeway of 1 m before waves at bow and more than 1 m after bow.
So yes I suppose it needs a slight boost in freeboard to handle further than coastal areas.

Quote from: snip on September 28, 2012, 09:52:28 PMAlso, seeing as she has AC class guns, the 6" will have to be in casemates, not deck mounts.
Ok

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 28, 2012, 09:56:48 PM
whatever Logi, I will tell you exactly what I told you when you ran the RRC, build whatever you want but if and when you get into a war with someone don't whine if it gets sunk in Job Lots.  If you want to waste your already limited BP on ships that will be worthless for anything other than looking nice in a Harbor that is your business.  From this point on all I will point out on your ships is rules violations.
I'll whine when the ship follows stupid orders but not before then. I have quite confidence in this ship design (although I should have mentioned I have absolutely no intention of building them) seeing as how the no armor - heavy gun scheme worked perfectly against my more armored ships in N3 during the Chinese Civil War.

You really don't need to be so exasperated - I listen to your feedback even if I don't always agree with it.

Logi

An attempt at a destroy for the Iberian Navy - this and the unprotected cruiser (the 6" one) should be the general workhorse of the navy.
QuoteHull-014, Iberia Destroyer laid down 1898

Displacement:
   450 t light; 463 t standard; 565 t normal; 647 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (230.00 ft / 230.00 ft) x 20.00 ft x (8.50 / 9.43 ft)
   (70.10 m / 70.10 m) x 6.10 m  x (2.59 / 2.87 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.70lbs / 0.77kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 31 lbs / 14 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 2.159 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,551 ihp / 4,887 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 183 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.063 million / $0.253 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 328 tons, 58.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 111 tons, 19.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 115 tons, 20.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     127 lbs / 57 Kg = 9.4 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.63
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.506 / 0.522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.94 ft / 2.72 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 190.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,081 Square feet or 286 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 27 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 87 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.32
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Trial Speed: 27

snip

Needs Misc weight for torps. I'm also a bit curious as to how four singles fit, as I dont think there would be quite enough room for all of that centerline. Is it two on each beam?
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Logi

Quote from: snip on October 02, 2012, 10:18:16 PM
I'm also a bit curious as to how four singles fit, as I dont think there would be quite enough room for all of that centerline. Is it two on each beam?
Well I was going by historical vessels the US Bainbridge class. I wasn't sure how the secondary guns are laid out so I used fewer guns (only 2 instead of 5).
Looking now at the blueprints from HNSA - I probably should be able to fit two 1.5" centerline although it would be centerline distributed and not centerline ends. In blueprint they are 2 along each side and 1 centerline in the center for DD-1.

Quote from: snip on October 02, 2012, 10:18:16 PM
Needs Misc weight for torps.
Right, I thought SS3 accounted for torpedo weight but apparently not.

The design fixed:
QuoteHull-014, Iberia Destroyer laid down 1898

Displacement:
   450 t light; 463 t standard; 565 t normal; 647 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (230.00 ft / 230.00 ft) x 20.00 ft x (9.00 / 9.95 ft)
   (70.10 m / 70.10 m) x 6.10 m  x (2.74 / 3.03 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 1.50" / 38.1 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.70lbs / 0.77kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 31 lbs / 14 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.540 t each, 2.159 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.25" / 6 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,465 ihp / 4,823 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Trial Speed = 27.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 184 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.063 million / $0.253 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 5 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 328 tons, 58.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 110 tons, 19.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 115 tons, 20.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.4 %
      - Above deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     123 lbs / 56 Kg = 9.1 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.60
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.478 / 0.494
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.17 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 61 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.50 ft / 3.51 m,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.69 ft / 2.65 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,004 Square feet or 279 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 27 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 18 lbs/sq ft or 88 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

KWorld

#71
Quote from: Logi on October 03, 2012, 12:09:06 AM
Quote from: snip on October 02, 2012, 10:18:16 PM
Needs Misc weight for torps.
Right, I thought SS3 accounted for torpedo weight but apparently not.

SS3 DOES account for torpedo weight, but only if those torpedoes are there when you load the file from a saved file.  Where it gets tricky is that if you have torpedoes in the SS file AND you add miscellaneous weight to account for them, if you save the file and reload it (to tweak it or whatever), you'll end up paying twice for those torpedoes.  So, if you're going to use miscellaneous weight to account for your design's 4 torpedoes, you should have notes describing the torpedoes and their layout, your miscellaneous weight should be 3 tons (as shown in the Weapons line in the Distribution of weights section), and you should delete the torpedoes from the SS file.  What I've been doing for the US designs is making sure I save them, clear the design, and then reload it before generating the design to post.

snip

You still need to add misc wieght. Its written in the rules.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

HA I was about to point out that torpedo weights are dictated by the rules, and SS3 plays some realy funky tricks with torpedos trust me... my 17" 12' torpedo has that I can count 4 Diferent weights depending on what ship I put it on (they are all the same year so that shouldnt matter).

Quote from: snip on October 03, 2012, 10:07:40 AM
You still need to add misc wieght. Its written in the rules.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Logi

Standardization of weights according to light tonnnage - also added torpedo weights to ships carrying torpedoes.

Unprotected Cruiser - Standardized to 1,500 light tonnage (~-100 tons).
QuoteHull-010, Iberia Unprotected Cruiser laid down 1896

Displacement:
   1,500 t light; 1,576 t standard; 1,789 t normal; 1,960 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (280.00 ft / 280.00 ft) x 28.00 ft x (15.50 / 16.63 ft)
   (85.34 m / 85.34 m) x 8.53 m  x (4.72 / 5.07 m)

Armament:
      7 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 725 lbs / 329 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.504 t each, 4.028 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.40" / 10 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,339 ihp / 5,475 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 384 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   136 - 178

Cost:
   £0.213 million / $0.852 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 104 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 96 tons, 5.4 %
      - Weapons: 8 tons, 0.5 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.1 %
   Machinery: 929 tons, 51.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 457 tons, 25.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 289 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.2 %
      - Above deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     558 lbs / 253 Kg = 5.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.42
   Metacentric height 1.4 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.515 / 0.526
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.73 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.59 ft / 2.92 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 65.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,294 Square feet or 492 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 65 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 52 lbs/sq ft or 254 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.93
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Protected Cruiser - Standardized tonnage to 2,200 light tonnage (~+400 ton) - increased armor and range of vessel.
QuoteHull-008, Iberia Protected Cruiser laid down 1895

Displacement:
   2,200 t light; 2,316 t standard; 2,581 t normal; 2,793 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (260.00 ft / 260.00 ft) x 39.00 ft x (18.00 / 19.10 ft)
   (79.25 m / 79.25 m) x 11.89 m  x (5.49 / 5.82 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.40" / 239 mm 40.0 cal guns - 380.01lbs / 172.37kg shells, 70 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 103.51lbs / 46.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1,381 lbs / 626 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      6 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.487 t each, 2.919 t total
   In 6 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   2.00" / 51 mm   260.00 ft / 79.25 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   2nd:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,311 ihp / 3,962 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 477 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   180 - 235

Cost:
   £0.285 million / $1.141 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 297 tons, 11.5 %
      - Guns: 291 tons, 11.3 %
      - Weapons: 6 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 380 tons, 14.7 %
      - Belts: 77 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 63 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 227 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 12 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 829 tons, 32.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 692 tons, 26.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 381 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 0.1 %
      - Above deck: 3 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,301 lbs / 590 Kg = 3.1 x 9.4 " / 239 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.495 / 0.505
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.67 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.12 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.67 ft / 2.95 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 136.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 63.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,724 Square feet or 625 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 386 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.76
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Battleship - Standardized to 6,500 light tonnage (~-100 tons)
QuoteHull-005, Iberia Predreadnought laid down 1895

Displacement:
   6,500 t light; 6,873 t standard; 7,377 t normal; 7,780 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (350.00 ft / 350.00 ft) x 62.00 ft x (22.00 / 22.94 ft)
   (106.68 m / 106.68 m) x 18.90 m  x (6.71 / 6.99 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 245.35lbs / 111.29kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides amidships
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.94lbs / 5.87kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3,253 lbs / 1,475 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   160.00 ft / 48.77 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   190.00 ft / 57.91 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.0" / 356 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   10.6" / 268 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.90" / 277 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,013 ihp / 4,486 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 907 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   397 - 517

Cost:
   £0.671 million / $2.683 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 631 tons, 8.6 %
      - Guns: 631 tons, 8.6 %
   Armour: 2,605 tons, 35.3 %
      - Belts: 1,460 tons, 19.8 %
      - Armament: 548 tons, 7.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 508 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 89 tons, 1.2 %
   Machinery: 1,019 tons, 13.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,245 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 877 tons, 11.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7,639 lbs / 3,465 Kg = 11.5 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.41
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.541 / 0.547
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.65 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m,  9.50 ft / 2.90 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 71.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,017 Square feet or 1,395 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 589 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily