Ships of the Royal Navy: Pre-Start

[snip]

It will be after we have to factor in maintenance. Since that is not done for turn 0, BP is the limit for all nations.

[Darman]

gotcha.  The Ottomans can offer an extended period payment plan...

Edit: reason I offer is to give you cash flow... typically a nation like the Ottoman Empire would be paying through bonds of some sort or another.  I'm still doing my research on pre-Great War military and naval expenditures and how they paid for fighting the war (thank you Hew Strachan!). 

[snip]

well, we can hash that out via PM

[snip]

Encounter, United Kingdom Second Class Cruiser laid down 1898

Displacement:
   4,684 t light; 4,909 t standard; 5,650 t normal; 6,243 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (350.00 ft / 350.00 ft) x 54.00 ft x (20.50 / 22.13 ft)
   (106.68 m / 106.68 m) x 16.46 m  x (6.25 / 6.75 m)

Armament:
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1,275 lbs / 578 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12,500 ihp / 9,325 Kw = 20.30 kts
   Range 7,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,334 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   325 - 423

Cost:
   £0.502 million / $2.007 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 176 tons, 3.1 %
      - Guns: 176 tons, 3.1 %
   Armour: 828 tons, 14.7 %
      - Armament: 127 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 660 tons, 11.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 41 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,016 tons, 35.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,488 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 966 tons, 17.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 175 tons, 3.1 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,302 lbs / 1,951 Kg = 39.8 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 94 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.88

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.510 / 0.522
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.48 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.80 ft / 5.12 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,713 Square feet or 1,181 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 77 lbs/sq ft or 377 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.66
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

as Snip pointed out everyone is runing out of BP for startup, I played around with ways to fix that initialy but most turned out to either be way to freking confusing, or simply non functional.  As he also points out the issue should remide itself post startup (its just that we have no maintnence costs, Research, or economic growth to burn off the excess funds (although I did ask about allowing us to spend the cash on growth/tech)

[Logi]

Iberia is interested in the cruisers as well.

Regardless the excess cash from turn 0 - what was the verdict on spending cash on growth/tech.

[snip]

Iberia is interested in the cruisers as well.

Regardless the excess cash from turn 0 - what was the verdict on spending cash on growth/tech.

There will be no spending on growth or tech. Further talk can be continued in another thread if you wish.

[snip]

Pegasus, United Kingdom Third Class Cruiser laid down 1895

Displacement:
   1,640 t light; 1,723 t standard; 2,136 t normal; 2,466 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 36.50 ft x (16.00 / 17.69 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 11.13 m  x (4.88 / 5.39 m)

Armament:
      6 - 4.00" / 102 mm 40.0 cal guns - 30.00lbs / 13.61kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.94lbs / 5.87kg shells, 350 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 258 lbs / 117 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.25" / 6 mm   0.25" / 6 mm            -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0.50" / 13 mm  Quarter deck: 0.50" / 13 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,000 ihp / 3,730 Kw = 18.69 kts
   Range 7,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 743 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   156 - 204

Cost:
   £0.187 million / $0.750 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 41 tons, 1.9 %
      - Guns: 41 tons, 1.9 %
   Armour: 125 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armament: 9 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 116 tons, 5.4 %
   Machinery: 847 tons, 39.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 622 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 496 tons, 23.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 5 tons, 0.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 5 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,550 lbs / 703 Kg = 48.5 x 4.0 " / 102 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.74
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 9.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.427 / 0.446
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.22 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,858 Square feet or 637 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 110 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 55 lbs/sq ft or 270 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

 Lacks the belt armor needed for a protected cruiser.  I'd trade some of the coal bunker for more boiler space, a la the OTL ship.

[Tanthalas]

Lacks the belt armor needed for a protected cruiser.  I'd trade some of the coal bunker for more boiler space, a la the OTL ship.

because it isnt a PC, its a CL.  I have a few similar ships although Italy called them Torpedo Cruisers.

[snip]

The engines already eat up ~40% of the displacement. I'm not fond of the design ether, but I need something else small to go park in the colonies. This works for that.

[snip]

Chamois, United Kingdom Destroyer laid down 1896

Displacement:
   470 t light; 482 t standard; 562 t normal; 626 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (220.00 ft / 220.00 ft) x 20.75 ft x (9.75 / 10.52 ft)
   (67.06 m / 67.06 m) x 6.32 m  x (2.97 / 3.21 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal gun - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 75 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1896 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.31lbs / 1.50kg shells, 210 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 19 lbs / 9 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.75" / 19 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,600 ihp / 4,924 Kw = 24.04 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 144 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.063 million / $0.252 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 0.6 %
      - Guns: 3 tons, 0.6 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armament: 6 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 326 tons, 58.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 110 tons, 19.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 92 tons, 16.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 4.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     116 lbs / 52 Kg = 8.6 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.06
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.442 / 0.456
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.48 ft / 2.58 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,893 Square feet or 269 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 25 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

Trial Speed: 27knts

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Destructive, United Kingdom Destroyer laid down 1898

Displacement:
   470 t light; 485 t standard; 562 t normal; 624 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (220.00 ft / 220.00 ft) x 20.75 ft x (9.75 / 10.50 ft)
   (67.06 m / 67.06 m) x 6.32 m  x (2.97 / 3.20 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal gun - 12.50lbs / 5.67kg shells, 75 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1898 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
      1 raised mount
      5 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.49lbs / 2.49kg shells, 210 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 40 lbs / 18 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 6,600 ihp / 4,924 Kw = 24.04 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 139 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   57 - 75

Cost:
   £0.064 million / $0.255 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 8 tons, 1.4 %
      - Guns: 8 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 8 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armament: 8 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 323 tons, 57.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 106 tons, 18.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 92 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 4.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     112 lbs / 51 Kg = 8.3 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 52 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.442 / 0.456
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.48 ft / 2.58 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 189.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,893 Square feet or 269 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 26 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 93 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 0.55
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

Trial Speed: 27knts

[eltf177]

I'm thinking some of the miscellaneous weight on those DD's is for torpedo tubes and torpedoes?

[KWorld]

I'm thinking some of the miscellaneous weight on those DD's is for torpedo tubes and torpedoes?

I'd guess so, WAY more than is needed for period fish, though.