Ships of the Regia Marina Italiana

[Tanthalas]

I will move these around so they are grouped by type as I add more ships (possibly anyway).

for my first ship I give you the Splendid Cats class Battleship.  they are period acurate for 1900 on everything from the guns to tonage to the armor (based on the numbers given for a number of first class battleships in Firedmans and Conways) but they are a tad bit fast.

the class would consist of 4 ships with laydown dates all around 1900
Jaguar
Lion
Tiger
Panther

Jaguar, Italia First Class Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,600 t light; 14,102 t standard; 15,837 t normal; 17,225 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (597.74 ft / 565.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.98 ft)
   (182.19 m / 172.21 m) x 19.81 m  x (9.14 / 9.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 3,076 lbs / 1,395 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   197.73 ft / 60.27 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 ihp / 14,920 Kw = 20.26 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,122 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   705 - 917

Cost:
   £1.177 million / $4.708 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 712 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 712 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 4,940 tons, 31.2 %
      - Belts: 3,172 tons, 20.0 %
      - Armament: 815 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 830 tons, 5.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 122 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,094 tons, 19.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,615 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,237 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 239 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 79 tons
      - Hull above water: 80 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,117 lbs / 9,579 Kg = 31.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.96

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.503 / 0.513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 48.47 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  29.00 ft / 8.84 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.28 ft / 6.79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,539 Square feet or 2,280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 561 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

and yes I know the cross section is a bit low (ok so alot low but still there is a reason)

[KWorld]

11" main battery?  Rather unusual for Italy.....  I'm also doubtful about the 2" end armor, and the bow is awfully pointy.

[Tanthalas]

11" main battery?  Rather unusual for Italy.....  I'm also doubtful about the 2" end armor, and the bow is awfully pointy.

Italy had a 10/40 and a 12/40 circa 1898 I am simply averaging the 2 and using 11" for various reasons in regard to long term planing.  The ship is one of my Original SS2 ships from N2, the bow is simply asthetics, I like the way it looks in the drawing im working on (and I realy try to make my drawings and SS report match).  I am curently reworking the drawing puting in things I have learnd but what the heck ill post it up.

P.S.
I actualy expected objections to the freeboard =P 

[KWorld]

> Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m

Well, this is a bit odd.....



If you go with an 11" here instead  of the 10" AND the 12", you'll have some problems fitting them on any ACs you build, without making them bigger.

[Tanthalas]

Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

[KWorld]

Pic shows 4 hull casemates, sim has only 2.


Have to say, that bow looks perfectly hideous on that hull.  Also, sim is confused on whether you have 4 11" guns or 2 (there's only 2 single turrets).


What's the intention behind all the miscellaneous weight?

[Jefgte]

IMO,
Too much place between stacks.
Too aft position for the 3rd.
What a modern Spruance bow.

Jef

[Nobody]

Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

The pic looks a bit funny, yet great. Especially superstructure and turrets. How do you do that?

If I had to guess:

• underwater hull: Derfflinger
  
• chimneys: Imperator
  
• bow: Ticonderoga

[Tanthalas]

@Jef not a Spruance but since the Ticondarogas were based off them close enough, the idea started out as what would a Ticondaroga look like in 1900.

@Nobody its kinda funky looking but yeah your right it just calls to me for some reason even I cant place.  As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Underwatter hull is a mix of pure me (aft) and Derfflinger foreward (im not happy with it honestly)
Stacks are based loosley on Mikasa as is the superstructure(very very loosley)
Bow is pure Tico although modified a bit.

Posted a pic up top, its still rough but ill finish it eventualy =P

The pic looks a bit funny, yet great. Especially superstructure and turrets. How do you do that?

If I had to guess:

• underwater hull: Derfflinger
  
• chimneys: Imperator
  
• bow: Ticonderoga
  

[Nobody]

As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Lol no. I was asking about the art. It was also intended as a slightly rhetoric question.

[Tanthalas]

ahhh as to the art im a member of shipbucket, I like drawing ships, even if as this one they end up slightly funky (I still like it).  I have found that personaly it limits the tendancy to cram more stuff on just because it will fit (an example is I moved one of the 5" down a deck because it was a bit cramped on the weather deck)

As to how I posted the pic (what I think your asking about the code is below
[xurl=http:URL TO YOUR PICTUE][img width=half original image height=half original image]http://URL TO YOUR PICTURE[/img][/url]
Just remove the X at the start, add your sizes and links.

Lol no. I was asking about the art. It was also intended as a slightly rhetoric question.

[Tanthalas]

well here she is the drawing is more or less compleat (im still toying around with some shading and Riviting the hull).  Included is the updated Spring Sharp report.



Regina Elena, Italia Battleship laid down 1896

Displacement:
   13,600 t light; 14,163 t standard; 15,132 t normal; 15,907 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.00 ft x (27.60 / 28.72 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.25 m  x (8.41 / 8.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 827.99lbs / 375.57kg shells, 70 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5,578 lbs / 2,530 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   144.00 ft / 43.89 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.40" / 36 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.55 kts
   Range 4,992nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,743 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   681 - 886

Cost:
   £1.469 million / $5.875 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,028 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 1,028 tons, 6.8 %
   Armour: 3,989 tons, 26.4 %
      - Belts: 2,309 tons, 15.3 %
      - Armament: 967 tons, 6.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 594 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 119 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,667 tons, 24.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,896 tons, 32.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,532 tons, 10.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 21 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 21 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,549 lbs / 5,692 Kg = 14.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.50

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.555 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.49 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  26.00 ft / 7.92 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,253 Square feet or 2,253 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 146 lbs/sq ft or 710 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


21 tons misc weight is for whatever future expansion (Wireless proly)

[KWorld]

A minor nit:

>      Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

[Tanthalas]

DAMIT again... I have fixed that like 6 times, everytime I save it for some reason... Sufice it to say the produced version would fit within the bloody belt.

*edit* swaped the to short belt version for the one that actualy fits. aparently it was the misc weight since moving it on deck fixed the belt issue.

A minor nit:

>      Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

[Tanthalas]

playing around with PCs/CLs got this opinions? remember its only for med service (or at worst colonial service)

PCX, Italia Protected Cruiser laid down 1896

Displacement:
   3,400 t light; 3,541 t standard; 3,862 t normal; 4,119 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (20.00 / 20.99 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 15.24 m  x (6.10 / 6.40 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 259.99lbs / 117.93kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 40.0 cal guns - 12.94lbs / 5.87kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      Weight of broadside 1,143 lbs / 519 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 144 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 9,735 ihp / 7,262 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 3,856nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 578 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   244 - 318

Cost:
   £0.385 million / $1.539 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 3.7 %
      - Guns: 142 tons, 3.7 %
   Armour: 733 tons, 19.0 %
      - Belts: 220 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armament: 55 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 432 tons, 11.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 27 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 1,573 tons, 40.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 933 tons, 24.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 462 tons, 12.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 19 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull above water: 1 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,986 lbs / 901 Kg = 7.8 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.61
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 82 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.451 / 0.458
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 67
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.15 ft / 3.09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 143.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 71.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,121 Square feet or 847 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 347 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.20
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily