Tans Unsane Designs

[eltf177]

Yeah, your BC is really high. But there's an even bigger problem...

Machinery:
   No fuel, Internal combustion motors,
   No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 9,916 shp / 7,397 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,492 tons

She won't be going very far...

I tried redoing her with SS2 (coal-fired VTE's) and it failed spectacularly. I don't think you can fix this one without cutting armor by at least a third if not more, which defeats the purpose of the design.

[Tanthalas]

Just throwing this out incase anyone wants to use it for somthing, I initialy planed to use them for my own fleet but decided against it...


PCX-1899, Italia for Export Protected Cruiser laid down 1899

Displacement:
   2,500 t light; 2,615 t standard; 2,911 t normal; 3,148 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (306.00 ft / 305.00 ft) x 35.00 ft x (18.00 / 19.13 ft)
   (93.27 m / 92.96 m) x 10.67 m  x (5.49 / 5.83 m)

Armament:
      2 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 250.00lbs / 113.40kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      7 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      3 raised mounts
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 850 lbs / 386 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      8 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 12.00 ft / 3.66 m torpedoes - 0.388 t each, 3.107 t total
   In 8 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   300.00 ft / 91.44 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm     5.00 ft / 1.52 m   6.00 ft / 1.83 m
     Main Belt covers 151 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,057 ihp / 6,011 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 4,400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 533 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   197 - 257

Cost:
   £0.309 million / $1.235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 174 tons, 6.0 %
      - Guns: 170 tons, 5.8 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 407 tons, 14.0 %
      - Belts: 140 tons, 4.8 %
      - Armament: 36 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 205 tons, 7.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 26 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,183 tons, 40.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 721 tons, 24.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 411 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 15 tons, 0.5 %
      - On freeboard deck: 15 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,128 lbs / 512 Kg = 4.4 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.79
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.530 / 0.539
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.46 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 4.77 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   10.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   65.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.17 ft / 2.80 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 149.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 7,314 Square feet or 679 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 83 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 66 lbs/sq ft or 323 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.73
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Tanthalas]

Capital ship Circa 1912 (maybe I dont realy like her so much once I made her rules compliant, although it still gives you a general idea where im headed if not how I intend to get there)

BC-1912, Italia Battlecruiser laid down 1912 (Engine 1911)

Displacement:
   23,000 t light; 23,960 t standard; 25,718 t normal; 27,125 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (690.29 ft / 690.29 ft) x 95.10 ft x (27.20 / 28.32 ft)
   (210.40 m / 210.40 m) x 28.99 m  x (8.29 / 8.63 m)

Armament:
      8 - 12.00" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 870.01lbs / 394.63kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1912 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      14 - 5.00" / 127 mm 51.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1912 Model
     14 x Single mounts on side ends, majority forward
      Weight of broadside 7,660 lbs / 3,475 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   448.69 ft / 136.76 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   241.58 ft / 73.63 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   448.69 ft / 136.76 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.50" / 38 mm   448.69 ft / 136.76 m   24.25 ft / 7.39 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 88.10 ft / 26.85 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 70,000 shp / 52,220 Kw = 26.43 kts
   Range 5,600nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,165 tons

Complement:
   1,015 - 1,320

Cost:
   £2.012 million / $8.047 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,606 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 1,606 tons, 6.2 %
   Armour: 8,783 tons, 34.1 %
      - Belts: 4,396 tons, 17.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 604 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 1,866 tons, 7.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,485 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 432 tons, 1.7 %
   Machinery: 2,841 tons, 11.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,431 tons, 36.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,718 tons, 10.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 340 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull above water: 200 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons
      - Above deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39,766 lbs / 18,038 Kg = 46.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 5.7 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.28

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.504 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.26 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 26.27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  24.00 ft / 7.32 m,  22.20 ft / 6.77 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  22.20 ft / 6.77 m,  19.50 ft / 5.94 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  19.50 ft / 5.94 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.28 ft / 5.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 70.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 43,903 Square feet or 4,079 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 166 lbs/sq ft or 813 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.21
      - Overall: 1.02
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

and the preceding generation of Large Armored Cruiser (pride of the fleet, badest ship in the world, yada yada yada)

CB-1 RMS Nike, Italia Battlecruiser laid down 1907 (Engine 1908)

Displacement:
   16,500 t light; 17,221 t standard; 18,968 t normal; 20,365 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (550.00 ft / 550.00 ft) x 86.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.55 ft)
   (167.64 m / 167.64 m) x 26.21 m  x (8.53 / 9.01 m)

Armament:
      8 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 671.17lbs / 304.44kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1907 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 45.0 cal guns - 52.35lbs / 23.75kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1907 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1907 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 5,897 lbs / 2,675 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   341.00 ft / 103.94 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   208.98 ft / 63.70 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   341.00 ft / 103.94 m   11.00 ft / 3.35 m
     Main Belt covers 95 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
      1.00" / 25 mm   341.00 ft / 103.94 m   24.67 ft / 7.52 m
   Beam between torpedo bulkheads 79.00 ft / 24.08 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   2.00" / 51 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   2.00" / 51 mm            -
   3rd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 50,852 shp / 37,936 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 4,400nm at 14.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,144 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   807 - 1,050

Cost:
   £1.496 million / $5.984 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,059 tons, 5.6 %
      - Guns: 1,059 tons, 5.6 %
   Armour: 5,929 tons, 31.3 %
      - Belts: 3,117 tons, 16.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 311 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armament: 1,283 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,050 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 169 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,797 tons, 14.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,396 tons, 33.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,468 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 319 tons, 1.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 319 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26,478 lbs / 12,010 Kg = 39.8 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.15
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 15.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.50
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.501 / 0.510
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Forward deck:   14.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m
      - Aft deck:   48.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.31 ft / 6.19 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 145.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,551 Square feet or 2,931 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 147 lbs/sq ft or 719 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.90
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

319 tons Misc weight
250 tons FC equipment
  25 tons long range wireless set
  44 tons stuff to be determind

[KWorld]

A 1907 ship's gonna have a hard time being built with a 1908 tech system (the fire control), and the main turret sides are ridiculously thin.  I'd also want more than 4 4.7" guns per side.

[Tanthalas]

agreed on the FC, but it can always be a building reserve, as to the 2" sides on the main turrets... ever look at VDT and the I's? VDT nad 1.2" sides and rear with a 9" face, while the I's had 4" sides and rear with a 7" face (Yikes).  but all told a 2" side and rear isnt to out of line (especialy with 12" faces)

A 1907 ship's gonna have a hard time being built with a 1908 tech system (the fire control), and the main turret sides are ridiculously thin.  I'd also want more than 4 4.7" guns per side.

[KWorld]

I'm finding LOTS of conflicting numbers for how thick or thin VDT's turret sides were, ranging from 180mm down.

[Tanthalas]

I tend toward trusting Conways (if for no other reason than generaly everyone has a copy unlike Friedmans), who lists it as 9"-2.4" on the turrets with 9"-1.2" on the barbs (not somthing we can efectivly sim even if it was a period practice).  Still 2" vs 2.4" not that great a diference honestly.

I'm finding LOTS of conflicting numbers for how thick or thin VDT's turret sides were, ranging from 180mm down.

[Delta Force]

Two inch sides are ridiculously thin and make the turrets vulnerable to even the smallest caliber guns. I would up them to at least four.

[Tanthalas]

As I pointed out previously a Period Battlecruiser had 1.2-4" sides and 7-9" faces, since I have a 12" face (heavier than some period Battleships) I could reduce the face to 10" or so and easily up the sides to 4"+ should I so choose.

Two inch sides are ridiculously thin and make the turrets vulnerable to even the smallest caliber guns. I would up them to at least four.

[Tanthalas]

So I got borde last night and started messing around with SS3, Came up with this.  I have no intention of building it personaly but it was kinda neat so thought I would go ahead and post it here (realy I should consider building it ubt nah not Italias thing)


Wgdiwts, Sudistan Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,000 t light; 13,569 t standard; 14,713 t normal; 15,628 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (414.00 ft / 414.00 ft) x 72.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.42 ft)
   (126.19 m / 126.19 m) x 21.95 m  x (8.23 / 8.66 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.07lbs / 375.60kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 108.92lbs / 49.41kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.62lbs / 6.18kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 4,619 lbs / 2,095 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   270.00 ft / 82.30 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   144.00 ft / 43.89 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   7.00" / 178 mm   270.00 ft / 82.30 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.0" / 381 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      12.0" / 305 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm   1.00" / 25 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 4.00" / 102 mm
   Forecastle: 2.50" / 64 mm  Quarter deck: 2.50" / 64 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.00" / 305 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,000 ihp / 14,174 Kw = 19.44 kts
   Range 6,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,060 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   667 - 868

Cost:
   £1.208 million / $4.831 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 842 tons, 5.7 %
      - Guns: 842 tons, 5.7 %
   Armour: 5,717 tons, 38.9 %
      - Belts: 3,203 tons, 21.8 %
      - Armament: 790 tons, 5.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,569 tons, 10.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 155 tons, 1.1 %
   Machinery: 2,969 tons, 20.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,382 tons, 23.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,713 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 91 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 91 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14,773 lbs / 6,701 Kg = 17.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 14.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.640 / 0.646
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.75 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.97 ft / 4.26 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,620 Square feet or 2,101 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 578 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.87
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

So I am not planing to build any of them, but I thought it would be fun just to see how hard I could push on 1900 VTEs.  I can get faster but not efectivly (aka I couldnt get armor or guns worth the tonage on a 25 knot ship).  Thought I would go ahead and post it though, maybe it gives one of you rich guys an idea for somthing you will actualy build *gives the US and UK Dirty looks*.

Fast as I could get, N/A Armoured Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   15,000 t light; 15,565 t standard; 16,959 t normal; 18,075 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (534.25 ft / 529.00 ft) x 75.00 ft x (28.00 / 29.43 ft)
   (162.84 m / 161.24 m) x 22.86 m  x (8.53 / 8.97 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 6.00" / 152 mm 45.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 39.99lbs / 18.14kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,556 lbs / 1,613 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   406.00 ft / 123.75 m   13.50 ft / 4.11 m
   Ends:   4.00" / 102 mm   123.00 ft / 37.49 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 118 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   3rd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.50" / 38 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 34,734 ihp / 25,912 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 7,494nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,510 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   742 - 965

Cost:
   £1.555 million / $6.221 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 719 tons, 4.2 %
      - Guns: 719 tons, 4.2 %
   Armour: 4,475 tons, 26.4 %
      - Belts: 2,848 tons, 16.8 %
      - Armament: 562 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 923 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 142 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 5,373 tons, 31.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,309 tons, 25.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,959 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 123 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 123 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,623 lbs / 5,726 Kg = 19.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 6.1 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 12.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.42

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.534 / 0.542
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.05 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 49
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 14.03 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  21.00 ft / 6.40 m,  19.20 ft / 5.85 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  19.20 ft / 5.85 m,  16.50 ft / 5.03 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  16.50 ft / 5.03 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.28 ft / 4.96 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 118.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,285 Square feet or 2,535 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 565 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

123 tons Misc weight for whatever

[Kaiser Kirk]

Sigfried Breyer lists' the I's turret face and sides each at 178mm, VDT is 230mm, with a 90mm top.

As for the AC
Your main battery is singles... :)
I'm also not keen on a 0.534 BC on such a ship. BC's always a hard one, as I have an idea of what the historic ranges were, but not a firm idea of *why*.

As I recall, one iteration of the Regina Margherita class came out similar.

However, I went with a  slower (20kt) version, with similar side armor and more firepower.  Much more a battleship than battlecruiser, with enough smaller guns to be self-escorting - or batter the @#$ out of a foe 5,000m away.

I have more deck armor - the same ~50mm main deck, but also a 30mm deck capping the casements to make them immune to anything less than main guns.

However, I invested heavier in weaponry, giving a roughly 50% greater throw weight/min at combat ranges.
I also carry torpedo nets and an almost 3% construction reserve. 

[Tanthalas]

well fixing the turrets (Again, I swear I set that once) actualy cleard up .03 composite LOL... so what should the BC on a ship like this be? My BCs tend to be all over the place honestly, but mostly on the low side generaly... I actualy based this one loosely on Derfflinger (just for the hullform)

[The Rock Doctor]

This reminds me of Foxy's pre-dread battlecruisers.