Tans Unsane Designs

[Tanthalas]

Just a spot to post some of the wierd stuff I came up with in the past for the Nverse.  Trust me it wasnt always the best (especialy my Nverse 1 stuff)

First off the protected cruiser Nike, I actualy intended to build this ship in N4 before I got pissed off at the rate of progress and subsequently got ate by RL.

Nike, Dominion of Deseret Protected Cruiser laid down 1879
Barbette ship

Displacement:
   6,482 t light; 6,704 t standard; 7,698 t normal; 8,492 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (414.00 ft / 414.00 ft) x 60.00 ft x (22.00 / 23.69 ft)
   (126.19 m / 126.19 m) x 18.29 m  x (6.71 / 7.22 m)

Armament:
      2 - 10.00" / 254 mm 25.0 cal guns - 414.01lbs / 187.79kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1879 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 6.00" / 152 mm 30.0 cal guns - 90.96lbs / 41.26kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1879 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.99lbs / 1.81kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1879 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1,398 lbs / 634 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm   370.00 ft / 112.78 m   4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:         -            -         1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 14,786 ihp / 11,031 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,788 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   410 - 534

Cost:
   £0.709 million / $2.837 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 182 tons, 2.4 %
      - Guns: 182 tons, 2.4 %
   Armour: 416 tons, 5.4 %
      - Belts: 117 tons, 1.5 %
      - Armament: 39 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 260 tons, 3.4 %
   Machinery: 3,098 tons, 40.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,740 tons, 35.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,216 tons, 15.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 46 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 46 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,221 lbs / 1,915 Kg = 10.1 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.90
   Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 88 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.75

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.493 / 0.505
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.90 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.57 ft / 4.14 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 137.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 16,446 Square feet or 1,528 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 565 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.04
      - Longitudinal: 1.82
      - Overall: 1.10
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

Next up is Jaguar, in N2 (I think it was N2 anyway) before the great exodus to N3 I was Spain, and the NS were building the Constitution class battleships, my answer to them was Jaguar.  She started out just as a wtf for fun what would the Ticonderoga class cruisers have looked like in 1901 (naturaly with my tech limitations) and I was planing to lay down 2 the turn everyone jumped ship.  Granted it couldnt be used under the N4.5 ruleset but its still an interesting ship and I would have loved to put them up against the Constitutions.

Jaguar, Espania Combat Cruiser laid down 1901 (Engine 1905)

Displacement:
   13,494 t light; 14,008 t standard; 15,834 t normal; 17,294 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (597.74 ft / 565.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (30.00 / 32.08 ft)
   (182.19 m / 172.21 m) x 19.81 m  x (9.14 / 9.78 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 45.0 cal guns - 671.18lbs / 304.44kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 3,441 lbs / 1,561 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   197.73 ft / 60.27 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 39,988 shp / 29,831 Kw = 24.42 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,286 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   705 - 917

Cost:
   £1.221 million / $4.884 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 732 tons, 4.6 %
      - Guns: 732 tons, 4.6 %
   Armour: 4,568 tons, 28.8 %
      - Belts: 2,827 tons, 17.9 %
      - Armament: 788 tons, 5.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 830 tons, 5.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 122 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,299 tons, 20.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,815 tons, 30.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,339 tons, 14.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 80 tons, 0.5 %
      - Hull above water: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     19,933 lbs / 9,041 Kg = 30.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.70
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.503 / 0.514
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 39
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 48.47 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  29.00 ft / 8.84 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.28 ft / 6.79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,536 Square feet or 2,279 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 583 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.15
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Tanthalas]

and lastly somthing I might actualy build if the moderators (and other players) in their grace see fit to grant me permission to actualy participate.

I give you the Splendid Cats class Battleship.  they are period acurate for 1900 on everything from the guns to tonage to the armor (based on the numbers given for a number of first class battleships in Firedmans and Conways) but they are a tad bit fast.

the class would consist of 4 ships with laydown dates all around 1900
Jaguar
Lion
Tiger
Panther

Jaguar, Who knows First Class Battleship laid down 1900

Displacement:
   13,600 t light; 14,102 t standard; 15,837 t normal; 17,225 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (597.74 ft / 565.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (30.00 / 31.98 ft)
   (182.19 m / 172.21 m) x 19.81 m  x (9.14 / 9.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 60.01lbs / 27.22kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      Weight of broadside 3,076 lbs / 1,395 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.00" / 229 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   197.73 ft / 60.27 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   4.00" / 102 mm   367.25 ft / 111.94 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   6.00" / 152 mm      9.00" / 229 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 9.00" / 229 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 ihp / 14,920 Kw = 20.26 kts
   Range 6,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 3,122 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   705 - 917

Cost:
   £1.177 million / $4.708 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 712 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 712 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 4,940 tons, 31.2 %
      - Belts: 3,172 tons, 20.0 %
      - Armament: 815 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 830 tons, 5.2 %
      - Conning Tower: 122 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 3,094 tons, 19.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,615 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,237 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 239 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 79 tons
      - Hull above water: 80 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     21,117 lbs / 9,579 Kg = 31.7 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.60
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.96

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.503 / 0.513
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.69 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 38
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 48.47 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  29.00 ft / 8.84 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      22.28 ft / 6.79 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 152.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,539 Square feet or 2,280 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 561 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

and yes I know the cross section is a bit low (ok so alot low but still there is a reason)

[Tanthalas]

Design study based loosley on the Regina Elena, I more or less stole the dimensions deleated 4 8" guns and added another pair of 12" so it has 4X12/40 and 8X8/45, armor is per OTL (as far as I can tell) as is SHP (although speed fell a knot and a half about normal for SS).  Opinions welcomed as I may actualy build this ship.

Regina Elena, Italia Battleship laid down 1896

Displacement:
   13,606 t light; 14,183 t standard; 15,154 t normal; 15,931 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (474.00 ft / 474.00 ft) x 73.50 ft x (27.60 / 28.72 ft)
   (144.48 m / 144.48 m) x 22.40 m  x (8.41 / 8.75 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 919.00lbs / 416.85kg shells, 70 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 8.00" / 203 mm 45.0 cal guns - 256.00lbs / 116.12kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 13.21lbs / 5.99kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 5,935 lbs / 2,692 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   330.00 ft / 100.58 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   144.00 ft / 43.89 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   322.32 ft / 98.24 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      8.00" / 203 mm
   2nd:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.40" / 36 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,000 ihp / 16,412 Kw = 20.54 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,747 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   682 - 887

Cost:
   £1.469 million / $5.876 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,143 tons, 7.5 %
      - Guns: 1,143 tons, 7.5 %
   Armour: 4,227 tons, 27.9 %
      - Belts: 2,396 tons, 15.8 %
      - Armament: 1,103 tons, 7.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 597 tons, 3.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 132 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,667 tons, 24.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,548 tons, 30.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,548 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 21 tons, 0.1 %
      - Hull below water: 21 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,759 lbs / 5,787 Kg = 14.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 77 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.54

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.552 / 0.557
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.77 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  26.00 ft / 7.92 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 24,349 Square feet or 2,262 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 679 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 1.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

I suspect the reason she's 3/4 of a knot slower than the design speed at the same horsepower is that yours is bigger and better armored than historical.  :)   Other than that, the freeboard is the main area I'd question: looks like you have enough rise from the forecastle to the bow that you may not be able to fire A turret directly ahead, and I don't see why you have the aft deck rising to the stern.

[Tanthalas]

folowing the drawing, as to the rise she is one of them funky ships I could never decide if the A turret was suposed to be raised or not on... I have already leveld out the aft rise though (just not in the version i posted).  The foreward pair of 8" twins are Definetly a deck lower than the Foreward 12" guns and springsharp wont allow you to put turreted guns below the freeboard... oh heck with explaining it here is a pic (NOT FINISHED)



as you can see from the picture technicly Alpha should be raised... like I said never could figure out how to sim ships like that.

[Jefgte]

Nice & clean drawing.
Can't wait to see the final drawing with details.

Forza Italia!

Jef ;)

[KWorld]

folowing the drawing, as to the rise she is one of them funky ships I could never decide if the A turret was suposed to be raised or not on... I have already leveld out the aft rise though (just not in the version i posted).  The foreward pair of 8" twins are Definetly a deck lower than the Foreward 12" guns and springsharp wont allow you to put turreted guns below the freeboard... oh heck with explaining it here is a pic (NOT FINISHED)



as you can see from the picture technicly Alpha should be raised... like I said never could figure out how to sim ships like that.

To sim it with the forward guns like they were in reality, you'd want to use a hull with a mid-break rather than a flush deck.  If you put that break just behind A turret, then you can mount the forward 8" turret right behind it.  If your ship doesn't have the center 8" turret, you won't need that rise between the 8" turrets in your picture, that was there so the middle secondary turret could fire either fore or aft over the other 8" turrets

[Tanthalas]

Ill gove that a try, I honestly didnt even consider it because I got in buku trouble for using what were considerd "odd" breaks in N3 (ok ok so I figured out how to game SS2 to get "free" superfiring turrets aft, if you aint cheatin you aint tryin)

[Tanthalas]

Update on the picture for anyone interested.

[Jefgte]

Very nice  :o

I hope to made naval exercices with that nice class of BB.

Jef  ;)

[Tanthalas]

More Goofing, 21 knots with realy reasonable armor and firepower

Just Goofing, Italia Battleship laid down 1898

Displacement:
   12,000 t light; 12,482 t standard; 13,360 t normal; 14,062 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (484.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.07 ft)
   (147.52 m / 147.52 m) x 19.81 m  x (7.62 / 7.95 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 245.35lbs / 111.29kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,897 lbs / 1,768 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   342.00 ft / 104.24 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   142.00 ft / 43.28 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,037 ihp / 16,440 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,580 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   620 - 807

Cost:
   £1.245 million / $4.980 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 732 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 732 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 3,551 tons, 26.6 %
      - Belts: 1,935 tons, 14.5 %
      - Armament: 766 tons, 5.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 728 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 121 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,554 tons, 26.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,878 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,360 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 285 tons, 2.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 285 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,949 lbs / 4,513 Kg = 14.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.595 / 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   41.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   14.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,892 Square feet or 2,127 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 125 lbs/sq ft or 610 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.33
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

Not sure what the 285 tons on the deck is for.  Other than that, and the kind of lightly armored casemates (1" faces, nothing on the hoists), looks OK from here.  There's a good 9' of unarmored freeboard to shoot up, but unless a fire really gets going, that won't kill you.

[Tanthalas]

the 285 tons is just stuff, call it a building reserve till I figure out what to do with it.  for another 500 tons I can armor the entire freeboard, and it would look somthing like this

Just Goofing, Italia Battleship laid down 1898

Displacement:
   12,500 t light; 12,993 t standard; 13,892 t normal; 14,611 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (484.00 ft / 484.00 ft) x 65.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.08 ft)
   (147.52 m / 147.52 m) x 19.81 m  x (7.62 / 7.95 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 8.00" / 203 mm 40.0 cal guns - 245.35lbs / 111.29kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 4.70" / 119 mm 40.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,897 lbs / 1,768 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   342.00 ft / 104.24 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   142.00 ft / 43.28 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   342.00 ft / 104.24 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      10.0" / 254 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   3rd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 22,738 ihp / 16,963 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,618 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   639 - 831

Cost:
   £1.278 million / $5.114 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 732 tons, 5.3 %
      - Guns: 732 tons, 5.3 %
   Armour: 4,203 tons, 30.3 %
      - Belts: 2,516 tons, 18.1 %
      - Armament: 819 tons, 5.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 744 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 125 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3,667 tons, 26.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,895 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,392 tons, 10.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 0.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 3 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,585 lbs / 4,801 Kg = 15.9 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.618 / 0.623
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   41.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   14.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,401 Square feet or 2,174 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 95 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 123 lbs/sq ft or 602 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.29
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Tanthalas]

*Note*  I have no intention whatsoever of building this ship, it was just out of curiosity as to what level our ships would need to be armored to for them to achive imunity to their own or equivilant period guns.  That said Ironicly it actualy kind of works... well its realy FAT, but it works sort of.

Fort Buster, Italia Canal Busting Battleship laid down 1898

Displacement:
   13,500 t light; 14,120 t standard; 15,504 t normal; 16,611 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (390.00 ft / 390.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.62 ft)
   (118.87 m / 118.87 m) x 21.34 m  x (7.62 / 8.11 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.00" / 279 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.00lbs / 239.95kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1898 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      16 - 6.00" / 152 mm 40.0 cal guns - 100.00lbs / 45.36kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1898 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      Weight of broadside 3,716 lbs / 1,686 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   24.0" / 610 mm   253.50 ft / 77.27 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   12.0" / 305 mm   136.48 ft / 41.60 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   12.0" / 305 mm   253.50 ft / 77.27 m   7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   24.0" / 610 mm   12.0" / 305 mm      18.0" / 457 mm
   2nd:   12.0" / 305 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 6.00" / 152 mm
   Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 24.00" / 610 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   No fuel, Internal combustion motors,
   No drive to shaft, 2 shafts, 9,916 shp / 7,397 Kw = 16.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,492 tons

Complement:
   694 - 903

Cost:
   £0.754 million / $3.016 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 663 tons, 4.3 %
      - Guns: 663 tons, 4.3 %
   Armour: 9,513 tons, 61.4 %
      - Belts: 5,486 tons, 35.4 %
      - Armament: 1,292 tons, 8.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,413 tons, 15.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 321 tons, 2.1 %
   Machinery: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,324 tons, 21.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,004 tons, 12.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     72,537 lbs / 32,902 Kg = 109.0 x 11.0 " / 279 mm shells or 12.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.33
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.795 / 0.800
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 19.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,899 Square feet or 2,220 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 127 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 546 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.01
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather