Economic Rules Discution

Started by snip, August 31, 2012, 11:35:10 AM

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Logi

Curious question - is that GDP in 1900 GDP in nominal terms or GDP per capital in PPP terms?
That makes a relatively large difference.
I have some minor qualms with using GDP per capita PPP to determine IC relative to Pop because in this scenario the IC-Pop ratio determines the level of industrialization of the country.
For this the GDP per capita per PPP doesn't work quite correctly or even accurately at all. It doesn't account for natural resource wealth (like Brunei which is 4-6th highest in GDP per capita PPP due to oil but with relatively low industrialization levels). So we should do something like the Human Development Index and account for the cost of living through a basket of goods as well as general education levels and life span.

Or not, spare you all the economically precise details. ;)

snip

Quote from: snip on September 13, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
I would rather not get into GDP and the like, it makes even this math major sick

Dont worry, we will not be using GDP to get our IC componates
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

Quote from: snip on September 13, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
Ya, I got some adding to do :D

ill divy up your african colonies tomorow (for the map) ill try and split them around europe somehow... so dont add them to your total.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

snip

You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

Quote from: snip on September 13, 2012, 10:50:57 PM
Already done.

... I already started spliting them up *pounds his head on the desk*
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

snip

as in I already left out the African colonies in my math
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

Whew, I was thinking about redoing Africa for the 5th time and contemplating Modicide =P

Quote from: snip on September 13, 2012, 11:04:18 PM
as in I already left out the African colonies in my math
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

snip

Quote from: Tanthalas on September 13, 2012, 11:11:50 PM
Whew, I was thinking about redoing Africa for the 5th time and contemplating Modicide =P

*sicks the ANZAC on Italy*
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Nobody

I know noone really wants to hear that, but I see another problem with the growing factory costs. Its a good system to slow down fast economies, but doesn't that make creating a industry "out of nowhere" way to fast and simple?

Tanthalas

I think this system is better than the N3 system where once you reached a certian point you sort of tiped and bam you had more cash than you knew what to do with (ala Rohan building 2 IC per turn while laying down fleets of DDs and CLs).  That system however was balanced to hard in the early stages trying to prevent the later stages from going BOOM, thus noone could get going unless you literaly conquored your neighbor.

Quote from: Nobody on September 14, 2012, 01:24:14 AM
I know noone really wants to hear that, but I see another problem with the growing factory costs. Its a good system to slow down fast economies, but doesn't that make creating a industry "out of nowhere" way to fast and simple?
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Nobody

After looking at the numbers
  • IC pricing looks good, I expect that to work
  • but, are you sure you want the UK having to spend ~$600 just to increase their production by 1%?
    The difference between the two is, buying an IC increases you income so the increasing price slows you down only a little. Maybe decreasing B to 2 would do the trick?

Tanthalas

BP were $300.00 in N3 right? if im remembering right, thats what they cost as such at BP 31 Rohan would still be paying less than I did for BP 30 in the Nverse.  and at your proposed setting of 2 its only $160.00, now I could be wrong but 300 sticks in my head for some reason.

Quote from: Nobody on September 14, 2012, 02:13:57 AM
After looking at the numbers
  • IC pricing looks good, I expect that to work
  • but, are you sure you want the UK having to spend ~$600 just to increase their production by 1%?
    The difference between the two is, buying an IC increases you income so the increasing price slows you down only a little. Maybe decreasing B to 2 would do the trick?
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

snip

I really want people to play with A and B to see what works in the situation. That spreadsheet was by no means a final product.
You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when solider lads march by
Sneak home and pray that you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
-Siegfried Sassoon

Tanthalas

Quote from: snip on September 14, 2012, 08:49:05 AM
I really want people to play with A and B to see what works in the situation. That spreadsheet was by no means a final product.

I did last night, using Rohans numbers as a baseline (since I had them to compare to).  A looked realy good, and so did B honestly.  The floating scale allows for adjustment on a per nation basis, and I added that page to my basic spread sheat.
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War

Tanthalas

Africa is compleatly finished the numbers run like this.

Changes from OTL

Northern Nigeria: from UK to France + 8.5 million population
Southern Nigeria: from UK to Germany + 7.5 milion population
Eastern Egypt: From UK to Italy + 7 million population
Western Egypt: From UK to Otomans + 1 million population
Northern Sudan: From UK to Italy + 1 million population
Southern Sudan: From UK to France + 3.8 million population
Gold Coast: From UK to France + 2.8 milion population
Uganda: From UK to Germany + 1.8 million population
Kenya: From UK to France + 1.7 million population
Cape Colony: From UK to France + 2.5 milion population
Natal: From UK to France + 1.2 milion population
Sierra Leone: From UK to France + 1 million population
Northern Rhodesia: From UK to France + 770,000 population
Southern Rhodesia: From UK to France + 734,000 population
Basutoland: From UK to France + 383,000 population
Orange Free State: from UK to France + 400,000 population
British Somoliland From UK to Italy + 300,000 population
Bechuanaland: From UK to Germany + 90,000 population

Modified Population totals
France: + 23,787,000
Germany: + 9,390,000
Italy: + 8,300,000
Otomans: + 1,000,000
UK - 42,477,000
"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

James Graham, 5th Earl of Montrose
1612 to 1650
Royalist General during the English Civil War