Economic Rules Discution

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I was refering to industrial output. I dont want to rely on SS's generated monetary value.

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OK, continuing this discussion I wish to turn to the growth of IC and BP. Most of the complantes have centered around the rate a growth of these two items. As a simple solution to this, I propose the following.

• Both IC and BP will have a fixed base cost.
• The number of current IC and BP will add a modifier onto this base cost.
• The cost for a new IC point would be Cost=X+(N*A) where X is the base cost, N is the current number of IC, and A is a constant modifier.

[li]The cost for a new BP would be Cost=Y+(M*B) where Y is the base cost, M is the current number of BP, and B is a constant modifier.
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Thoughts?

[Logi]

I think that works well provided that we also take into account population.

Your current model doesn't take into account large or small pop nations. A nation with 50 IC and 100 Pop is as industrialized as a nation with 10 IC and 20 Pop. However from your formula it takes significantly more for the larger nation to reach the same level of industrialization.

Basically the larger nation pays extra enough for the smaller country to be 50 IC and 20 Pop.

So I propose a slight modification: Cost = X + (N * A/ P) where X is the base cost, N is the current number of IC, A is a constant modifier, and P is the current population
To make smaller nations somewhat more favorable to growth we can squaring the N or something but that might be prohibitive work

[Nobody]

I think that works well provided that we also take into account population.

Your current model doesn't take into account large or small pop nations. A nation with 50 IC and 100 Pop is as industrialized as a nation with 10 IC and 20 Pop. However from your formula it takes significantly more for the larger nation to reach the same level of industrialization.

Basically the larger nation pays extra enough for the smaller country to be 50 IC and 20 Pop.

So I propose a slight modification: Cost = X + (N * A/ P) where X is the base cost, N is the current number of IC, A is a constant modifier, and P is the current population
To make smaller nations somewhat more favorable to growth we can squaring the N or something but that might be prohibitive work

I would take the root from the population (or whatever value we choose), other than that I agree with Logi.

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so we are agreed that a fomula for cost is correct. Does anyone care to do lots of math to further a proposal?

[Tanthalas]

so we are agreed that a fomula for cost is correct. Does anyone care to do lots of math to further a proposal?

I just did lots of math, then looked at the tech page and had an anurisim... not up for more.

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Ok, here is a spreadsheet with the equations as given above. Go nuts and let me know what values for A and B work best in your opinion so we can narrow it down.

[Tanthalas]

Numbers look good to me, fair balanced and make it harder and harder to maintain a lead.  Somthing like this would have helpd a ton in N3 (and you dont even want me to start in on LBP, MBP, and HBP from N2 seriously anything was better than that system).  Any thoughts on starting population numbers and or the interaction between pop and IC?

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Forgot to throw in here that Rohan had a total population of 79.3 and 130 IC so instead of 75 bucks a pop (I was building 2 per turn in 1920) they would be 97.99 each, I still could have built 2 but I would have had to do some creative book keaping(or slowed down on building destroyers and CLs)

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I would like to keep the mechanics of that system intact. Unless someone can definitively prove to me that those mechanics are fundimentaly broken, they will stay.

I will try and do some research as to population, but I think it would be easiest to come up with the $ output of economies then backfill the IC to give the needed $ output with the roughly historical population.

[Tanthalas]

the system itself wasnt broken it was just that outside Rohan and France noone had enough IC or Pop to get to a decent income (Unified MK dosnt count that was just an example of stupid pop numbers).  Italia couldnt even afford to buy an IC a turn (ok so they could but only with heavy subsidy from France).

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Ok, I have pop figures from Wikipedia. Does anyone object to using these?

[Tanthalas]

Let ya know in a sec snip, Just found this http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_per_cap_in_190-economy-gdp-per-capita-1900 and people wonder why I hate economics...

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I think Nobody's suggestion to fix income to preceved upkeep is good. Given that, we need population to determine how much IC would be around. I would rather not get into GDP and the like, it makes even this math major sick (waht are these numbers doing in my equations :P)

[Tanthalas]

so say a population of 33.62 for Italy? I dont even want to try and add up the UK total... Scary proly.  Remember I was a History Major b4 graduation and moving on to a Carear throwing bullets at Ragheads...

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Ya, I got some adding to do :D