Potential Ottoman Ships

[Darman]

oh, and is anyone interested in designing an early Austro-Hungarian or Ottoman dreadnaught or late AH/OE pre-dreadnaught?  I'm not looking for designs now just people who might be interested. 

[KWorld]

oh, and is anyone interested in designing an early Austro-Hungarian or Ottoman dreadnaught or late AH/OE pre-dreadnaught?  I'm not looking for designs now just people who might be interested.

Historically, the Ottomans didn't build any of their own, they bought their ships from elsewhere, so you could always hold a competition or three once the game gets going.  The Austrians built their own ships, of course, but had pretty tight limits on the sizes.

[Darman]

oh, and is anyone interested in designing an early Austro-Hungarian or Ottoman dreadnaught or late AH/OE pre-dreadnaught?  I'm not looking for designs now just people who might be interested.

Historically, the Ottomans didn't build any of their own, they bought their ships from elsewhere, so you could always hold a competition or three once the game gets going.  The Austrians built their own ships, of course, but had pretty tight limits on the sizes.

Thanks, I knew that about the Austrians, I wasn't certain if the Ottomans built their own or not. 

[KWorld]

The Austrian Erherzog Karl class would look something like this:

Erherzog Karl, Austria-Hungary Battleship laid down 1902

Displacement:
   9,949 t light; 10,471 t standard; 11,346 t normal; 12,047 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (425.52 ft / 414.04 ft) x 71.52 ft x (24.61 / 25.80 ft)
   (129.70 m / 126.20 m) x 21.80 m  x (7.50 / 7.86 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.37" / 238 mm 40.0 cal guns - 319.67lbs / 145.00kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 7.48" / 190 mm 42.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.48" / 190 mm 42.0 cal guns - 213.85lbs / 97.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      12 - 2.60" / 66.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.85lbs / 4.01kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,951 lbs / 1,792 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.623 t each, 1.247 t total
   submerged side tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.40 ft / 5.00 m torpedoes - 0.623 t each, 4.988 t total
   below water reloads

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.27" / 210 mm   289.83 ft / 88.34 m   10.14 ft / 3.09 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm     62.34 ft / 19.00 m   10.14 ft / 3.09 m
     61.88 ft / 18.86 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   289.83 ft / 88.34 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.45" / 240 mm   7.09" / 180 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   4th:   0.59" / 15 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.66" / 220 mm, Aft 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 19,302 ihp / 14,399 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,576 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   549 - 714

Cost:
   £1.037 million / $4.146 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 776 tons, 6.8 %
      - Guns: 767 tons, 6.8 %
      - Weapons: 9 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 3,131 tons, 27.6 %
      - Belts: 1,632 tons, 14.4 %
      - Armament: 823 tons, 7.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 517 tons, 4.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 158 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 2,925 tons, 25.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,118 tons, 27.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,398 tons, 12.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,184 lbs / 4,620 Kg = 24.8 x 9.4 " / 238 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 5.2 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.34
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.37

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.545 / 0.552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.35 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 51
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  18.04 ft / 5.50 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m,  14.76 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.35 ft / 4.68 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 107.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,570 Square feet or 1,911 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 582 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.01
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Darman]

Any Austrian ship designs between 1895 and 1899 would be great. 

Preference is for 10" guns for the first class and 11" or 12" for the second class.  The Austrian Navy is primarily concerned with coastal defense, so heavy armor is preferable and speed is not as important.  Defense against torpedo boats is essential.  Large magazines, especially for medium-caliber weapons, are required because of the secondary role of shore bombardment. 

[Tanthalas]

I actualy have a few AH ships I played around with in the past kicking arounnd somewhere... I know I have their dreads to (I played around with building them in N3 for Italia)

[Darman]

that would be perfect

[KWorld]

Here's a cut at the A-H's Monarch class.  The end belt is at the bow, as on the historical ships.

Budapest, Austro-Hungarian Empire Coast Defence Battleship laid down 1893

Displacement:
   5,355 t light; 5,594 t standard; 5,873 t normal; 6,095 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337.93 ft / 328.08 ft) x 55.77 ft x (20.42 / 21.03 ft)
   (103.00 m / 100.00 m) x 17.00 m  x (6.23 / 6.41 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.25lbs / 183.36kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2,216 lbs / 1,005 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 1.464 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 2.929 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted reloads

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.6" / 270 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm     65.62 ft / 20.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
     65.62 ft / 20.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.15" / 80 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.27" / 210 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      8.27" / 210 mm
   2nd:   4.72" / 120 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.66" / 220 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,500 ihp / 5,595 Kw = 17.50 kts
   Range 2,350nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 501 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   335 - 436

Cost:
   £0.531 million / $2.124 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 404 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 398 tons, 6.8 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1,890 tons, 32.2 %
      - Belts: 982 tons, 16.7 %
      - Armament: 379 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 469 tons, 8.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 61 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,316 tons, 22.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,746 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 518 tons, 8.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,822 lbs / 2,641 Kg = 13.8 x 9.4 " / 240 mm shells or 4.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.28
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.42
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.88 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 97.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,770 Square feet or 1,186 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 105 lbs/sq ft or 512 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.07
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

This one is a hypothetical big brother to Budapest: the 24cm guns get replaced by Krupp 28cm/40s, the 6 15cm guns get another deck of 8 guns, armor and range both rise, speed stays the same.  Torpedo boat defence is provided by the Hotchkiss 9 pounder.

Schwarzenburg, Austro-Hungarian Empire Coast Defence Battleship laid down 1896

Displacement:
   8,211 t light; 8,668 t standard; 9,173 t normal; 9,578 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (403.54 ft / 393.70 ft) x 62.34 ft x (23.79 / 24.61 ft)
   (123.00 m / 120.00 m) x 19.00 m  x (7.25 / 7.50 m)

Armament:
      4 - 11.14" / 283 mm 40.0 cal guns - 529.11lbs / 240.00kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1890 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      14 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     14 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      12 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.99lbs / 4.08kg shells, 400 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,623 lbs / 1,643 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 1.464 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 2.929 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted reloads

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   9.48 ft / 2.89 m
   Ends:   5.91" / 150 mm   157.45 ft / 47.99 m   9.48 ft / 2.89 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   8.27" / 210 mm      9.45" / 240 mm
   2nd:   4.72" / 120 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.56" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 1.97" / 50 mm  Quarter deck: 2.56" / 65 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 12.60" / 320 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,274 ihp / 6,918 Kw = 17.50 kts
   Range 3,500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 910 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   468 - 609

Cost:
   £0.787 million / $3.149 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 634 tons, 6.9 %
      - Guns: 628 tons, 6.8 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 3,535 tons, 38.5 %
      - Belts: 1,997 tons, 21.8 %
      - Armament: 618 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 800 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 119 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 1,546 tons, 16.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,496 tons, 27.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 963 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,727 lbs / 4,412 Kg = 14.1 x 11.1 " / 283 mm shells or 6.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.29

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.555
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.32 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 43 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 78.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 17,127 Square feet or 1,591 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 548 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

I know its a ways off but since I found her I thought I would go ahead and throw up the SS report (and post a copy of the SS file) for ya

Tegetthoff Class, Austria-Hungary Battleship laid down 1910

Displacement:
   17,950 t light; 18,931 t standard; 19,734 t normal; 20,377 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (500.00 ft / 500.00 ft) x 89.70 ft x (28.00 / 28.72 ft)
   (152.40 m / 152.40 m) x 27.34 m  x (8.53 / 8.75 m)

Armament:
      12 - 12.01" / 305 mm 50.0 cal guns - 894.00lbs / 405.51kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1910 Model
     4 x Triple mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm 45.0 cal guns - 99.80lbs / 45.27kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1910 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      18 - 2.60" / 66.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     18 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.84lbs / 1.74kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1910 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 12,041 lbs / 5,462 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   320.00 ft / 97.54 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   6.00" / 152 mm   179.98 ft / 54.86 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   6.00" / 152 mm   320.00 ft / 97.54 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 98 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      11.0" / 279 mm
   2nd:   5.00" / 127 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.00" / 279 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 25,000 shp / 18,650 Kw = 20.36 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,446 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   832 - 1,082

Cost:
   £1.995 million / $7.982 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,386 tons, 12.1 %
      - Guns: 2,386 tons, 12.1 %
   Armour: 7,121 tons, 36.1 %
      - Belts: 3,780 tons, 19.2 %
      - Armament: 2,091 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,077 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 173 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 1,136 tons, 5.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 7,304 tons, 37.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,784 tons, 9.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,973 lbs / 11,781 Kg = 30.0 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 5.1 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 16.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.51

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 47
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  22.00 ft / 6.71 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   34.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  19.00 ft / 5.79 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      19.27 ft / 5.87 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 73.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 31,300 Square feet or 2,908 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 187 lbs/sq ft or 911 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.26
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

*Edit* replaced the version originaly posted with an updated & acurate (2 SF turret) version, also posted the updated SS file.

[KWorld]

The problem with this Tegethoff is that the main battery had 2 turrets superfiring, this one has none.

[Tanthalas]

The problem with this Tegethoff is that the main battery had 2 turrets superfiring, this one has none.

OOPS, proly explains the 900+ tons extra weight it has (I converted it from SS2-SS3 so im not surprised I missed somthing) Ill fix it later and post it up corected (in the same spot)

*edit*
Already posted it up compleat with updated SS3 file.

[Darman]

I added 230mm/9" guns rather than 9.5" guns.  That and lowering the range to 2,000nm gave me something extra to play with, I added slightly heavier armor. 

Budapest, Austro-Hungarian Empire Coast Defence Battleship laid down 1893

Displacement:
   5,396 t light; 5,631 t standard; 5,873 t normal; 6,066 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (337.93 ft / 328.08 ft) x 55.77 ft x (20.42 / 20.95 ft)
   (103.00 m / 100.00 m) x 17.00 m  x (6.23 / 6.39 m)

Armament:
      4 - 9.06" / 230 mm 40.0 cal guns - 355.80lbs / 161.39kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 5.91" / 150 mm 40.0 cal guns - 99.87lbs / 45.30kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 2,022 lbs / 917 kg
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 1.464 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      8 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.366 t each, 2.929 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted reloads

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.4" / 290 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm     65.62 ft / 20.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
     65.62 ft / 20.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.35" / 85 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   7.38 ft / 2.25 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.27" / 210 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      8.27" / 210 mm
   2nd:   4.72" / 120 mm         -         3.94" / 100 mm

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks: 2.17" / 55 mm For and Aft decks
   Forecastle: 2.17" / 55 mm  Quarter deck: 2.17" / 55 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.66" / 220 mm,  Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7,500 ihp / 5,595 Kw = 17.50 kts
   Range 2,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 434 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   335 - 436

Cost:
   £0.516 million / $2.066 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 365 tons, 6.2 %
      - Guns: 361 tons, 6.1 %
      - Torpedoes: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1,989 tons, 33.9 %
      - Belts: 1,049 tons, 17.9 %
      - Armament: 364 tons, 6.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 516 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 61 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 1,316 tons, 22.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,726 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 476 tons, 8.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,986 lbs / 2,715 Kg = 16.1 x 9.1 " / 230 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.38
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.88 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.11 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 53
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m,  11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 12,770 Square feet or 1,186 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 103 lbs/sq ft or 502 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.06
      - Overall: 1.01
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

Minor problem....

>    Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

The other question would be, where do you get 9" guns from?  Krupp built 9.4" guns, Armstrong and Elswick could build 9.2" guns, but 9"?

[Tanthalas]

and for AH they realy should be Krupp guns.

Minor problem....

>    Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

The other question would be, where do you get 9" guns from?  Krupp built 9.4" guns, Armstrong and Elswick could build 9.2" guns, but 9"?