France ships

[Jefgte]

Testing the first class of Contre-Torpilleur.
This class could be use as division leader for the 225t TB class or escort for big ships.

Contre-Torpilleur, France CT1 to CT4 laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 529 t standard; 590 t normal; 640 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (210.00 ft / 210.00 ft) x 24.28 ft x (10.13 / 10.68 ft)
   (64.01 m / 64.01 m) x 7.40 m  x (3.09 / 3.26 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 36.6 cal guns - 29.12lbs / 13.21kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      1 raised mount - superfiring
      8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 36.6 cal guns - 12.14lbs / 5.51kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 155 lbs / 70 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.570 t each, 1.140 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 24.02 kts
   Range 2 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 111 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 77

Cost:
   £0.071 million / $0.283 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 26 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 24 tons, 4.0 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 335 tons, 56.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 122 tons, 20.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 91 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 2.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 6 tons
      - Above deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     125 lbs / 57 Kg = 4.1 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.40
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.10

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.411
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.65 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.75 ft / 3.89 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.62 ft / 2.93 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 195.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 139 Square feet or 292 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 26 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 111 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.08
      - Overall: 0.57
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform



This class is equiped with the new famous QF 75mm gun Mlle 1897 - rof 10 to 20 - range max 8500m

[KWorld]

Too slow to keep up with the smaller ships, I'm afraid, and the Army's 75mm a) doesn't have the right kind of shells for use against ships (it's primarily a shrapnel gun) and b) doesn't offer anything special over the various 12 pounders/3 in guns.  Also, I'd suggest the 100mm/45 over the shorter gun, higher velocity is better for a smallish naval gun, flatter trajectory and lower time of flight.

[Delta Force]

Isn't recoil control more of an issue for land based weapons anyways? Naval weapons are securely mounted in this era. I suppose for a landing gun the Model 1897 75mm would be useful, but it offers little advantages over existing weapons for naval usage.

[Jefgte]

Too slow to keep up with the smaller ships, I'm afraid, and the Army's 75mm a) doesn't have the right kind of shells for use against ships (it's primarily a shrapnel gun) and b) doesn't offer anything special over the various 12 pounders/3 in guns.  Also, I'd suggest the 100mm/45 over the shorter gun, higher velocity is better for a smallish naval gun, flatter trajectory and lower time of flight.

They are nt too slow, they are Div leader of 24kts small TBs.
75 or 100mm is the question vs TBs rush...

[KWorld]

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

Most period naval guns larger than a 3 pounder were already equipped with recoil systems, it was an innovation for the land weapons, not for the naval guns of similar size.  See the British 12 pounder Mk 1's recoil stroke here: http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_3-40_mk1.htm, or the US 3"/50 Mk 2's recoil stroke here: http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_3-50_mk2.htm.  You can also see the recoil cylinders atop an older 4.7"/40 here: http://navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_47-40_mk1.htm.

[Jefgte]

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

So, 480tons TBs - 27kts could be Flotilla Leader.

[KWorld]

That's something like what I'd shoot for.  Or at least have comparable trials speeds, since if the bigger boat can't use it's trial speed, the smaller ones won't be able to either.

[eltf177]

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

Until the VTE's are replaced with turbines speed is going to be slow...

[Tanthalas]

I managed to get 30 knot 500 toners for my startup DDs, so it can be done... just all about tradeoffs.

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

Until the VTE's are replaced with turbines speed is going to be slow...

[KWorld]

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

Until the VTE's are replaced with turbines speed is going to be slow...

By comparison to later and larger turbine ships, sure.  But a 500-ton 27 knot ship will be able to lead your 225 ton TBs in a flat calm (my Bainbridge class gives up 0.23 knots to your 225 ton TB), and it will have a 3 knot advantage in a seaway.

[Tanthalas]

AH HA I figured out the diference... GUNS, Great Gory guns... my 500 ton TB carries 4X3" jef im afraid your latest one proly suffers from a severe case of NEDS.

They're too slow if the weather's calm and the lighter ships can use their trials speed (which could be the case in a relatively calm sea).

Until the VTE's are replaced with turbines speed is going to be slow...

By comparison to later and larger turbine ships, sure.  But a 500-ton 27 knot ship will be able to lead your 225 ton TBs in a flat calm (my Bainbridge class gives up 0.23 knots to your 225 ton TB), and it will have a 3 knot advantage in a seaway.

[Jefgte]

Actually in the Plan & LD in 1901H2 in the 120m & 70m shipyards

6BB - 9300t-2T2x305+6x194+12x100-B300-18kts
4AC - 9600t-2T2x274+6x194+12x100-B180-21kts
4PC - 2700t-3x140+6x100-B20-22kts
8CT - 500t-4x75+4TTx450-26kts
8TB - 225t-2x65+4TTx450-24kts


SS calculated

[Jefgte]

BB5, France BB5 laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   9 300 t light; 9 930 t standard; 11 101 t normal; 12 037 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.50 ft / 393.50 ft) x 72.18 ft x (21.51 / 23.03 ft)
   (119.94 m / 119.94 m) x 22.00 m  x (6.56 / 7.02 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 828.08lbs / 375.61kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7.65" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 225.75lbs / 102.40kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.96lbs / 5.88kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 092 lbs / 2 310 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   229.65 ft / 70.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   127.95 ft / 39.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     35.90 ft / 10.94 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   229.65 ft / 70.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 90 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      10.6" / 270 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.55" / 65 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 10.60" / 269 mm, Aft 7.10" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12 300 ihp / 9 176 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 8 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 107 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   539 - 702

Cost:
   £0.954 million / $3.815 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 802 tons, 7.2 %
      - Guns: 798 tons, 7.2 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 315 tons, 29.9 %
      - Belts: 1 741 tons, 15.7 %
      - Armament: 506 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 878 tons, 7.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 190 tons, 1.7 %
   Machinery: 1 922 tons, 17.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 091 tons, 27.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 801 tons, 16.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 170 tons, 1.5 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 120 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12 613 lbs / 5 721 Kg = 14.6 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.41
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.35

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.636 / 0.644
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.45 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  16.72 ft / 5.10 m,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  13.45 ft / 4.10 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.87 ft / 3.92 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 21 480 Square feet or 1 996 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 121 lbs/sq ft or 591 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

25t for extra pumps installation
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Clovis, France AC5 laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   9 600 t light; 10 130 t standard; 11 158 t normal; 11 981 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.20 ft / 393.20 ft) x 70.85 ft x (22.39 / 23.77 ft)
   (119.85 m / 119.85 m) x 21.60 m  x (6.83 / 7.25 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 7.65" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 225.75lbs / 102.40kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 220 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 raised mounts
      4 - 0.31" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 4 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 123 lbs / 1 870 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged bow tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.10" / 180 mm   328.10 ft / 100.00 m   8.52 ft / 2.60 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     60.05 ft / 18.30 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     5.05 ft / 1.54 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   328.10 ft / 100.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 128 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.10" / 180 mm
   2nd:   1.57" / 40 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 5.90" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 22 780 ihp / 16 994 Kw = 21.09 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 851 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   542 - 705

Cost:
   £1.115 million / $4.460 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 658 tons, 5.9 %
      - Guns: 654 tons, 5.9 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 339 tons, 21.0 %
      - Belts: 1 204 tons, 10.8 %
      - Armament: 367 tons, 3.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 619 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 148 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 3 559 tons, 31.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 894 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 558 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 952 lbs / 3 153 Kg = 11.1 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 2.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.626 / 0.633
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.83 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.40 ft / 5.30 m,  14.42 ft / 4.40 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  14.42 ft / 4.40 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.78 ft / 4.20 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 128.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 874 Square feet or 1 939 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 112 lbs/sq ft or 548 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.83
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Clovis-Charles Martel-Charlemagne-Hugues Capet-Saint Louis-François I-Henri IV-Louis XIV-

25t fot extra pumps installation
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CP7, France CP7 laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   5 400 t light; 5 580 t standard; 6 286 t normal; 6 851 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.52 ft / 393.52 ft) x 58.40 ft x (16.80 / 18.00 ft)
   (119.94 m / 119.94 m) x 17.80 m  x (5.12 / 5.49 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.50" / 165 mm 45.0 cal guns - 138.47lbs / 62.81kg shells, 125 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 36.6 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 741 lbs / 336 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2.95" / 75 mm   387.15 ft / 118.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 151 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.37" / 35 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.37" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17 800 ihp / 13 279 Kw = 21.92 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 271 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   352 - 458

Cost:
   £0.636 million / $2.543 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 162 tons, 2.6 %
      - Guns: 159 tons, 2.5 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 830 tons, 13.2 %
      - Belts: 347 tons, 5.5 %
      - Armament: 79 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 375 tons, 6.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 29 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2 754 tons, 43.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 626 tons, 25.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 886 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 28 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 3 tons
      - Above deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 277 lbs / 1 486 Kg = 23.9 x 6.5 " / 165 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.75
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.570 / 0.579
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.74 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m,  11.47 ft / 3.50 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  11.47 ft / 3.50 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 150.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 16 342 Square feet or 1 518 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 78 lbs/sq ft or 380 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.09
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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Contre-Torpilleur, France Contre-Torpilleur laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   500 t light; 517 t standard; 594 t normal; 656 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.50 ft / 229.50 ft) x 23.63 ft x (9.59 / 10.24 ft)
   (69.95 m / 69.95 m) x 7.20 m  x (2.92 / 3.12 m)

Armament:
      4 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.96lbs / 5.88kg shells, 190 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 0.32" / 8.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      Weight of broadside 52 lbs / 24 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 200 ihp / 6 864 Kw = 26.01 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 139 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   59 - 78

Cost:
   £0.070 million / $0.280 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 13 tons, 2.2 %
      - Guns: 10 tons, 1.7 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 356 tons, 59.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 127 tons, 21.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 95 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     131 lbs / 59 Kg = 10.1 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.55
   Metacentric height 1.2 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.414
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.15 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Forward deck:   8.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Aft deck:   52.00 %,  9.20 ft / 2.80 m,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  8.20 ft / 2.50 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.30 ft / 2.83 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 338 Square feet or 310 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 20 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 102 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 0.56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform


Trial speed: 29kts
Bonus: 2.99

[Tanthalas]

not a bad looking bunch, Slow for my tastes but then again im filling the Role of Speed Freak (which Italy was OTL anyway) for the Nverse.  Honestly I wish I could go for slow and armored but im already commited to going fast  ;)

[KWorld]

On the Clovis & CP7 types, you'll probably want to use the same 8mm MGs you're using on the BB & TB types.


On the BB & Clovis, I'd be a bit concerned about the small number of secondaries: you've got 4 main guns (fine), and 12 100mms (OK), but only 6 194mms, in casemates.