France ships

[Jefgte]

...until you develop the 1902 VTE tech, you'll have 1900 engines, when you do, you'll have 1905 engines.

Oups... missed too, I was LD year > LD engines (before turbines year techno)

Jef

[KWorld]

...until you develop the 1902 VTE tech, you'll have 1900 engines, when you do, you'll have 1905 engines.

Oups... missed too, I was LD year > LD engines (before turbines year techno)

Won't stop you from building them, if you want to, just makes them more expensive.  :)

[Walter]

just makes them more expensive.  :)

Oh No! Another hard hit to his budget. ;D

[Tanthalas]

Good catch Kworld, I missed that when I looked em over.  As the others said were all stuck using 1900 engines till we get the 1902 tech.

[Jefgte]

The older AC cruisers in the French Navy - in 1900, they are based in Brest.




Jef  ;)

[eltf177]

Pretty!

[Jefgte]

AC5, France Fleet Cruiser laid down 1902 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   12 000 t light; 12 559 t standard; 13 718 t normal; 14 645 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (522.00 ft / 517.00 ft) x 68.90 ft x (22.46 / 23.71 ft)
   (159.11 m / 157.58 m) x 21.00 m  x (6.85 / 7.23 m)

Armament:
      4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 629.95lbs / 285.74kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1902 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1902 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1902 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3 440 lbs / 1 560 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.70 ft / 5.39 m torpedoes - 0.668 t each, 1.335 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.70 ft / 5.39 m torpedoes - 0.668 t each, 2.671 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   459.32 ft / 140.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm     30.42 ft / 9.27 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     27.26 ft / 8.31 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.57" / 40 mm   459.32 ft / 140.00 m   6.56 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 137 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.10" / 180 mm   1.95" / 50 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.97" / 25 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   0.80" / 20 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.90" / 150 mm, Aft 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 31 600 ihp / 23 573 Kw = 23.04 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 086 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   633 - 823

Cost:
   £1.384 million / $5.535 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 609 tons, 4.4 %
      - Guns: 601 tons, 4.4 %
      - Weapons: 8 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 2 500 tons, 18.2 %
      - Belts: 1 273 tons, 9.3 %
      - Armament: 332 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 773 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 122 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 4 889 tons, 35.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 891 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 717 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 112 tons, 0.8 %
      - Hull below water: 12 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 311 lbs / 3 770 Kg = 13.3 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 2.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.44
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.6 m
   Roll period: 12.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.41

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.607
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  16.72 ft / 5.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.72 ft / 5.10 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.22 ft / 4.94 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 135.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 125.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 26 053 Square feet or 2 420 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 542 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Tanthalas]

I rather like that most recent one, although I would be concernd about my Capitans thinking they could engage Battleshipe in them.  They have "Battleship Guns" after all (just imagining some admiral ordering them into the line)

[Jefgte]

I rather like that most recent one, although I would be concernd about my Capitans thinking they could engage Battleshipe in them.  They have "Battleship Guns" after all (just imagining some admiral ordering them into the line)

They have guns of secondary BBs but, not the armor... they are not" Invincible".

Jef

[Jefgte]

I think, the better use of the slipways in the French building plan for the next years before turbines technos.

70m-27kts > TB
70m-21kts > AT
120m-21kts > BB-2nd class
120m-23kts > CP
170m-21kts > BB-1st class
170m-23kts > AC

Jef

[Jefgte]

70m-27kts > TB
70m-21kts > AT
120m-21kts > BB-2nd class
120m-23kts > CP
170m-21kts > BB-1st class
170m-23kts > AC

CP, France CP laid down 1901 (Engine 1900)

Displacement:
   5 500 t light; 5 689 t standard; 6 435 t normal; 7 032 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.50 ft / 393.50 ft) x 57.10 ft x (16.71 / 17.98 ft)
   (119.94 m / 119.94 m) x 17.40 m  x (5.09 / 5.48 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 76.0 cal guns - 34.98lbs / 15.86kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      2 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 3 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1901 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 476 lbs / 216 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.591 t each, 1.182 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -         0.40" / 10 mm
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -         0.40" / 10 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.20" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 22 200 ihp / 16 561 Kw = 23.01 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 342 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   359 - 467

Cost:
   £0.721 million / $2.886 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 132 tons, 2.0 %
      - Guns: 127 tons, 2.0 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 290 tons, 4.5 %
      - Armament: 7 tons, 0.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 283 tons, 4.4 %
   Machinery: 3 469 tons, 53.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 572 tons, 24.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 935 tons, 14.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 38 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 38 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 537 lbs / 1 151 Kg = 30.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 2.01
   Metacentric height 6.5 ft / 2.0 m
   Roll period: 9.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.609
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.89 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 57 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m,  12.80 ft / 3.90 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  12.80 ft / 3.90 m,  11.47 ft / 3.50 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.47 ft / 3.50 m,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  10.50 ft / 3.20 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.72 ft / 3.57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 181.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 16 433 Square feet or 1 527 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 73 lbs/sq ft or 358 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.11
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[Tanthalas]

Oh I agree Jef, its just that was the reason I chose to use 9.2" guns instead of 10" guns for my big ACs (I wanted it very clear to their capitans that they couldnt engage BBs)

I rather like that most recent one, although I would be concernd about my Capitans thinking they could engage Battleshipe in them.  They have "Battleship Guns" after all (just imagining some admiral ordering them into the line)

They have guns of secondary BBs but, not the armor... they are not" Invincible".

Jef

[The Rock Doctor]

I'm not sure I've ever seen a warship with stability above 2.00 before.

[Tanthalas]

I have gotten that high before and normaly just like this one it makes up for it in seaboat rating (1.05 in this case OUCH)

I'm not sure I've ever seen a warship with stability above 2.00 before.

[The Rock Doctor]

The other thing that stood out was just how much of the ship was machinery.  For a "fast" ship, it's got a relatively low length/beam ratio and relatively high block co-efficient.  Both factors mean more machinery to reach a speed than would be the case with a slimmer, leaner vessel of the same displacement.