France ships

[Jefgte]

From the 1897 batch, hers is AT1 class - 8 ships
this class of Aviso Torpilleur is a colonial Torpilleur.
To have long range, the speed is cut down to 23kts.
This class is inspired from the historical Cassini class.

AT1, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1897

Displacement:
   800 t light; 835 t standard; 980 t normal; 1 096 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (274.00 ft / 270.00 ft) x 27.00 ft x (10.69 / 11.57 ft)
   (83.52 m / 82.30 m) x 8.23 m  x (3.26 / 3.53 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.05lbs / 3.65kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      2 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 600 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.448 t each, 0.896 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.448 t each, 0.896 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.59" / 15 mm
   Forecastle: 0.59" / 15 mm  Quarter deck: 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 200 ihp / 5 371 Kw = 23.07 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 261 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   86 - 113

Cost:
   £0.112 million / $0.447 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 21 tons, 2.2 %
      - Guns: 18 tons, 1.8 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.4 %
   Armour: 48 tons, 4.9 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 44 tons, 4.4 %
   Machinery: 561 tons, 57.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 158 tons, 16.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 179 tons, 18.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 12 tons, 1.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 12 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     176 lbs / 80 Kg = 5.7 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.66
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 8.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.440 / 0.455
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.43 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m,  11.15 ft / 3.40 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Average freeboard:      8.38 ft / 2.55 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 613 Square feet or 429 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 40 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 22 lbs/sq ft or 107 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.69
      - Overall: 0.51
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

The next class, AT2 - 1899 - 12 ships - is 1000t with 6500nm range.

[Tanthalas]

I see your runing into the same problem I did... TBs can only be up to 500 tons prestartup (750 after 1900), and these "Cruisers" cant be built to normal strength rules in Spring Sharp.  I ended up at 1200 tons light to make em work at all under the rules...

[snip]

Jef, this ship needs to be 24knts and less then 500t light in order to be built to DD rules. She needs 1.00 composite otherwise.

[Delta Force]

The torpedoes are too large for 1897, you are only allowed up to 16 inch under the rules.

[Jefgte]

hmmm sh...

Like the Kleber cruiser.
Historical ships are not allowed.

[Delta Force]

hmmm sh...

Like the Kleber cruiser.
Historical ships are not allowed.

I think there might be a typo in that part of the rules though, it certainly would produce a very heavy 16 inch torpedo.

[Jefgte]

Re SS AT1

Aviso Torpilleur, France AT1 laid down 1897

Displacement:
   1 500 t light; 1 550 t standard; 1 739 t normal; 1 891 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (298.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 32.82 ft x (11.42 / 12.21 ft)
   (90.92 m / 90.00 m) x 10.00 m  x (3.48 / 3.72 m)

Armament:
      3 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.12lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      1 raised mount
      2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.04lbs / 3.65kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 500 ihp / 5 595 Kw = 21.20 kts
   Range 3 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 341 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   134 - 175

Cost:
   £0.193 million / $0.771 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 20 tons, 1.1 %
      - Guns: 18 tons, 1.0 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 5 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 963 tons, 55.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 498 tons, 28.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 239 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 14 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 14 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     702 lbs / 318 Kg = 22.7 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.69
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m,  11.82 ft / 3.60 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  11.82 ft / 3.60 m,  11.82 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.22 ft / 3.12 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 184.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 763 Square feet or 628 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 69 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 234 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

Chatelmont, France PC3 laid down 1897

Displacement:
   5 000 t light; 5 214 t standard; 5 955 t normal; 6 547 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.50 ft / 390.50 ft) x 45.92 ft (Bulges 55.77 ft) x (17.40 / 19.06 ft)
   (119.94 m / 119.02 m) x 14.00 m (Bulges 17.00 m)  x (5.30 / 5.81 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 230 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.46lbs / 3.84kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 911 lbs / 413 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.20" / 30 mm   390.00 ft / 118.87 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   1.20" / 30 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 1.20" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 14 400 ihp / 10 742 Kw = 21.02 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 334 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   338 - 440

Cost:
   £0.598 million / $2.390 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 172 tons, 2.9 %
      - Guns: 169 tons, 2.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 593 tons, 10.0 %
      - Belts: 138 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armament: 35 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 383 tons, 6.4 %
      - Conning Towers: 36 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2 618 tons, 44.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 568 tons, 26.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 954 tons, 16.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3 164 lbs / 1 435 Kg = 23.6 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 2.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.83
   Metacentric height 4.1 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.552
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  14.77 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.77 ft / 4.50 m,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   43.00 %,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m,  13.77 ft / 4.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.13 ft / 4.31 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 153.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 514 Square feet or 1 163 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 388 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

BB1, France BB1 laid down 1895

Displacement:
   11 300 t light; 11 883 t standard; 13 363 t normal; 14 546 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.14 ft / 387.14 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.17 ft) x (27.20 / 29.64 ft)
   (119.83 m / 118.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (8.29 / 9.03 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.38lbs / 395.25kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 9.51lbs / 4.31kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 611 lbs / 2 092 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.315 t each, 0.630 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.315 t each, 1.261 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   229.67 ft / 70.00 m   8.86 ft / 2.70 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   157.35 ft / 47.96 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   216.55 ft / 66.00 m   14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13 800 ihp / 10 295 Kw = 18.09 kts
   Range 8 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 663 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   620 - 807

Cost:
   £1.103 million / $4.414 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 801 tons, 6.0 %
      - Guns: 798 tons, 6.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 406 tons, 33.0 %
      - Belts: 2 299 tons, 17.2 %
      - Armament: 1 040 tons, 7.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 766 tons, 5.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 301 tons, 2.3 %
   Machinery: 2 339 tons, 17.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 653 tons, 27.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 062 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 832 lbs / 6 728 Kg = 17.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 8.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.56
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.615 / 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.73 ft / 5.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 16 963 Square feet or 1 576 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 673 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.55
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

SBB1, France SBB1 laid down 1896

Displacement:
   6 700 t light; 7 098 t standard; 8 016 t normal; 8 751 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (365.90 ft / 360.90 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (17.33 / 18.95 ft)
   (111.53 m / 110.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (5.28 / 5.78 m)

Armament:
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 52.0 cal guns - 3.37lbs / 1.53kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3 328 lbs / 1 510 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     26.26 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   7.87" / 200 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.10" / 180 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 324 ihp / 7 702 Kw = 17.93 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 653 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   423 - 550

Cost:
   £0.719 million / $2.876 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 631 tons, 7.9 %
      - Guns: 628 tons, 7.8 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 919 tons, 23.9 %
      - Belts: 850 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armament: 465 tons, 5.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 489 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 116 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 1 721 tons, 21.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 365 tons, 29.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 316 tons, 16.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 65 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 454 lbs / 3 835 Kg = 13.5 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 6.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.17

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.621 / 0.620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   38.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.62 ft / 3.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 98.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 84.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 900 Square feet or 1 477 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 118 lbs/sq ft or 578 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[KWorld]

Hmmmm.  My question on your SBB1 is on layout: by 1896, should France be transitioning away from the lozenge arrangement?  By retaining it, you're having to armor 4 barbettes & turrets vs 2 (larger, granted), and limiting broadside fire to 3 guns vs 4.

Also, I'd be concerned that you lack sufficient numbers of either 5.5" or 4" guns to accomplish their jobs: might be better to carry only one caliber here and get more barrels.

[Jefgte]

Hmmmm.  My question on your SBB1 is on layout: by 1896, should France be transitioning away from the lozenge arrangement?  By retaining it, you're having to armor 4 barbettes & turrets vs 2 (larger, granted), and limiting broadside fire to 3 guns vs 4.

Also, I'd be concerned that you lack sufficient numbers of either 5.5" or 4" guns to accomplish their jobs: might be better to carry only one caliber here and get more barrels.

I agree with you.
Losenge disposition is for the fun, I love...
So I minimise the 3 guns boardside vs 4 guns because I choose first 240mm & I SS with 274 with a light reduction of the armor.
This class of Station BB is not really made to work vs BB but vs AC.
--
About 5'5 & 3'9 guns, the small size of the hull limit the potential of ship.
5'5 are vs cruisers & 3'9 & 1'85 vs TBs

6 SBB are in the plan.
(24x274+48x140+48x100)

[KWorld]

Hmmmm.  My question on your SBB1 is on layout: by 1896, should France be transitioning away from the lozenge arrangement?  By retaining it, you're having to armor 4 barbettes & turrets vs 2 (larger, granted), and limiting broadside fire to 3 guns vs 4.

Also, I'd be concerned that you lack sufficient numbers of either 5.5" or 4" guns to accomplish their jobs: might be better to carry only one caliber here and get more barrels.

I agree with you.
Losenge disposition is for the fun, I love...
So I minimise the 3 guns boardside vs 4 guns because I choose first 240mm & I SS with 274 with a light reduction of the armor.
This class of Station BB is not really made to work vs BB but vs AC.
--
About 5'5 & 3'9 guns, the small size of the hull limit the potential of ship.
5'5 are vs cruisers & 3'9 & 1'85 vs TBs

6 SBB are in the plan.
(24x274+48x140+48x100)

They're not that small (lengthwise, anyway): they're nearly the size of all the BBs the USN has (even the Maines that are on order are only 28' longer).  The lozenge arrangement means you've got a turret in the way for best firing positions, granted.  But you could get some more secondaries on board if you mount some 5.5" guns in below-deck casemates, give up some range to get them aboard.  Above the main deck, though, you could fit some more 100mms if you wanted to, or drop down to 12 pounders to get more numbers.

[Jefgte]

The most powerfull BB of the French battleline:

BB2, France BB2 laid down 1897

Displacement:
   11 750 t light; 12 450 t standard; 13 931 t normal; 15 115 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (435.14 ft / 433.14 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.17 ft) x (26.00 / 28.21 ft)
   (132.63 m / 132.02 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (7.92 / 8.60 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.24kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 7.65" / 194 mm 45.0 cal guns - 225.76lbs / 102.40kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 9.51lbs / 4.31kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 827 lbs / 2 643 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.315 t each, 0.630 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.315 t each, 1.261 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   8.86 ft / 2.70 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   157.35 ft / 47.96 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     39.57 ft / 12.06 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   216.55 ft / 66.00 m   14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   5.90" / 150 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 13 400 ihp / 9 996 Kw = 18.06 kts
   Range 8 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 665 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   640 - 833

Cost:
   £1.156 million / $4.625 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 978 tons, 7.0 %
      - Guns: 974 tons, 7.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 616 tons, 33.1 %
      - Belts: 2 338 tons, 16.8 %
      - Armament: 1 123 tons, 8.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 845 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 309 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 2 197 tons, 15.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 840 tons, 27.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 181 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 0.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 120 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16 344 lbs / 7 414 Kg = 18.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 9.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.25
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.68
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.78

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.81 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.73 ft / 5.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 706 Square feet or 1 738 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.08
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[snip]

She would need to use 12"L35. I dont really have time to check over the rest.