France ships

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you might want to check the caliber of your guns. I dont think there were many L45s in this period

The French were essentially the pioneers of longer-tubed weapons, their first L45 was the 138.6mm L45 Model 1884.  They also had 305mm, 274mm, and 194mm Models of 1887, and 274mm and 305mm models of 1893.

In any case, there legality under our rules is fuzzy at best for some of the smaller guns.

[Jefgte]

Jef why don't you put your guns in a single battery with two groups instead of two batteries? That would only be necessary if you want one of them to be in casemates.

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you might want to check the caliber of your guns. I dont think there were many L45s in this period

You are right the 240mm-mlle 1893 was 40 cal


Jef

[Jefgte]

Bouvines-Valmy, France 7700T station BB laid down 1892

Displacement:
   7 700 t light; 8 063 t standard; 8 801 t normal; 9 392 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (353.48 ft / 344.48 ft) x 52.50 ft (Bulges 65.62 ft) x (21.32 / 22.83 ft)
   (107.74 m / 105.00 m) x 16.00 m (Bulges 20.00 m)  x (6.50 / 6.96 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1892 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 3.59lbs / 1.63kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1892 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2 318 lbs / 1 051 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.533 t each, 2.133 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 280 mm   223.10 ft / 68.00 m   8.52 ft / 2.60 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   108.28 ft / 33.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     13.10 ft / 3.99 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   223.10 ft / 68.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   3rd:   2.35" / 60 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      2.35" / 60 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.03" / 280 mm, Aft 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 813 ihp / 8 067 Kw = 17.88 kts
   Range 5 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 330 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   453 - 590

Cost:
   £0.727 million / $2.908 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 515 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 512 tons, 5.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 916 tons, 33.1 %
      - Belts: 1 556 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 599 tons, 6.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 623 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 138 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 2 060 tons, 23.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 139 tons, 24.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 102 tons, 12.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 407 lbs / 3 813 Kg = 19.9 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 3.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.34
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.21

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.639 / 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  16.72 ft / 5.10 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Forward deck:   46.00 %,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   16.00 %,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m,  7.55 ft / 2.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.50 ft / 3.81 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 717 Square feet or 1 274 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 111 lbs/sq ft or 544 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.74
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Jefgte]

Note:
I use bold characters for VALID SS - When I reSS , the old SS return in normal characters & the new is bold.

ex:Look at Bouvine SS, the first is normal-no valid
the second is bold - valid
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Temeraire, France TB175t laid down 1897

Displacement:
   175 t light; 179 t standard; 184 t normal; 188 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (150.92 ft / 150.92 ft) x 15.09 ft x (7.06 / 7.16 ft)
   (46.00 m / 46.00 m) x 4.60 m  x (2.15 / 2.18 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedo - 0.508 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.508 t each, 1.016 t total
   In 1 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 931 ihp / 2 932 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 300nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 9 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   24 - 32

Cost:
   £0.023 million / $0.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 116 tons, 62.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 53 tons, 29.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 9 tons, 4.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     39 lbs / 18 Kg = 12.2 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.403
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.28 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.78 ft / 2.37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 204.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 402 Square feet or 130 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 14 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 77 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 3.90
      - Overall: 0.61
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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The 1895 batch-3 class of ships

PC1, France PC1 laid down 1895

Displacement:
   2 950 t light; 3 063 t standard; 3 584 t normal; 4 001 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (339.00 ft / 334.00 ft) x 38.05 ft (Bulges 43.97 ft) x (15.12 / 16.74 ft)
   (103.33 m / 101.80 m) x 11.60 m (Bulges 13.40 m)  x (4.61 / 5.10 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 130 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 130 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 473 lbs / 214 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 0.835 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 0.835 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   301.85 ft / 92.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 139 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 600 ihp / 5 670 Kw = 19.10 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 938 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   231 - 301

Cost:
   £0.338 million / $1.351 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 112 tons, 3.1 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 430 tons, 12.0 %
      - Belts: 93 tons, 2.6 %
      - Armament: 27 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 292 tons, 8.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 18 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1 400 tons, 39.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 969 tons, 27.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 634 tons, 17.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 36 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 217 lbs / 1 006 Kg = 26.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.61
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 79 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.19
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.565 / 0.570
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.28 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m,  13.78 ft / 4.20 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.18 ft / 3.71 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 995 Square feet or 836 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 333 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
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AC1, France AC1 laid down 1895

Displacement:
   5 150 t light; 5 501 t standard; 6 231 t normal; 6 816 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (395.50 ft / 388.50 ft) x 44.28 ft (Bulges 52.50 ft) x (19.26 / 20.95 ft)
   (120.55 m / 118.41 m) x 13.50 m (Bulges 16.00 m)  x (5.87 / 6.39 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.65" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 214.53lbs / 97.31kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 7.65" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 214.53lbs / 97.31kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 280 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 778 lbs / 807 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 0.835 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 0.835 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   285.42 ft / 87.00 m   8.86 ft / 2.70 m
   Ends:   3.95" / 100 mm     95.15 ft / 29.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     7.93 ft / 2.42 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.57" / 40 mm   285.42 ft / 87.00 m   10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 400 ihp / 7 758 Kw = 19.22 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 315 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   349 - 455

Cost:
   £0.542 million / $2.170 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 363 tons, 5.8 %
      - Guns: 360 tons, 5.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 229 tons, 19.7 %
      - Belts: 714 tons, 11.5 %
      - Armament: 142 tons, 2.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 323 tons, 5.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 50 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1 763 tons, 28.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 744 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 081 tons, 17.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 171 lbs / 2 346 Kg = 23.1 x 7.7 " / 194 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.53
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.78

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.555 / 0.558
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.40 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.71 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.97 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 112.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 12 065 Square feet or 1 121 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 92 lbs/sq ft or 449 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
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BB1, France BB1 laid down 1895

Displacement:
   11 500 t light; 12 135 t standard; 13 631 t normal; 14 828 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.14 ft / 387.14 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.17 ft) x (27.74 / 30.21 ft)
   (119.83 m / 118.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (8.46 / 9.21 m)

Armament:
      4 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.37lbs / 395.24kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      10 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 3.59lbs / 1.63kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 5 116 lbs / 2 321 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 0.835 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.417 t each, 1.670 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.8" / 350 mm   229.67 ft / 70.00 m   8.86 ft / 2.70 m
   Ends:   5.90" / 150 mm   157.35 ft / 47.96 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   5.90" / 150 mm   216.55 ft / 66.00 m   14.78 ft / 4.50 m
     Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   13.0" / 330 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 14 000 ihp / 10 444 Kw = 18.10 kts
   Range 8 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 693 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   630 - 820

Cost:
   £1.139 million / $4.555 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 875 tons, 6.4 %
      - Guns: 870 tons, 6.4 %
      - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 500 tons, 33.0 %
      - Belts: 2 372 tons, 17.4 %
      - Armament: 1 056 tons, 7.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 766 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 305 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 2 374 tons, 17.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 651 tons, 26.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2 131 tons, 15.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.7 %
      - On freeboard deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 778 lbs / 6 703 Kg = 17.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 6.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 3.3 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 16.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 78 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.57

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.615 / 0.615
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m,  18.70 ft / 5.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m,  10.82 ft / 3.30 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.73 ft / 5.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 85.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 16 963 Square feet or 1 576 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 138 lbs/sq ft or 676 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.60
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

1896 batch

175t, France TB laid down 1896

Displacement:
   175 t light; 179 t standard; 186 t normal; 191 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (162.00 ft / 162.00 ft) x 17.05 ft x (6.20 / 6.31 ft)
   (49.38 m / 49.38 m) x 5.20 m  x (1.89 / 1.92 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedo - 0.432 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedo - 0.432 t total
   In a deck mounted centre rotating tube

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 600 ihp / 2 686 Kw = 23.76 kts
   Range 450nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 12 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   24 - 32

Cost:
   £0.023 million / $0.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.5 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 116 tons, 62.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 53 tons, 28.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 11 tons, 5.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     43 lbs / 19 Kg = 13.5 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.29
   Metacentric height 0.6 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.384
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.73 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.25 ft / 2.82 m,  10.25 ft / 3.12 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  7.75 ft / 2.36 m,  7.25 ft / 2.21 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  7.25 ft / 2.21 m,  6.75 ft / 2.06 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.75 ft / 2.06 m,  6.25 ft / 1.91 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.57 ft / 2.31 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 202.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 678 Square feet or 156 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 15 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 77 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.42
      - Overall: 0.58
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
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PC2, France PC2 laid down 1896

Displacement:
   3 200 t light; 3 319 t standard; 3 856 t normal; 4 285 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (349.50 ft / 344.50 ft) x 38.05 ft (Bulges 45.92 ft) x (15.12 / 16.74 ft)
   (106.53 m / 105.00 m) x 11.60 m (Bulges 14.00 m)  x (4.61 / 5.10 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 130 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 130 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.09lbs / 14.10kg shells, 220 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 473 lbs / 214 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.432 t each, 0.865 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedoes - 0.432 t each, 0.865 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   317.85 ft / 96.88 m   8.87 ft / 2.70 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 142 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 547 ihp / 6 376 Kw = 19.50 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 966 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   244 - 318

Cost:
   £0.368 million / $1.473 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 3.0 %
      - Guns: 112 tons, 2.9 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 456 tons, 11.8 %
      - Belts: 109 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 27 tons, 0.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 301 tons, 7.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 19 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1 556 tons, 40.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 038 tons, 26.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 656 tons, 17.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 36 tons, 0.9 %
      - On freeboard deck: 36 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 299 lbs / 1 043 Kg = 27.6 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.65
   Metacentric height 2.7 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.59

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.564 / 0.566
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.56 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  14.10 ft / 4.30 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  14.10 ft / 4.30 m,  14.10 ft / 4.30 m
      - Aft deck:   60.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m,  12.15 ft / 3.70 m
      - Average freeboard:      12.52 ft / 3.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 141.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 89.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 9 272 Square feet or 861 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 96 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 69 lbs/sq ft or 338 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.44
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
---

SBB1, France Station BB - Colonial BB laid down 1896

Displacement:
   6 500 t light; 6 893 t standard; 7 726 t normal; 8 392 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (365.90 ft / 360.90 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (17.30 / 18.80 ft)
   (111.53 m / 110.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m)  x (5.27 / 5.73 m)

Armament:
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      4 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 52.0 cal guns - 3.37lbs / 1.53kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3 328 lbs / 1 510 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.0" / 432 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.455 t each, 0.909 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.10" / 180 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     26.26 ft / 8.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   236.22 ft / 72.00 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.10" / 180 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.10" / 180 mm
   2nd:   7.10" / 180 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.10" / 180 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.10" / 180 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 000 ihp / 7 460 Kw = 17.93 kts
   Range 6 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 499 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   411 - 535

Cost:
   £0.704 million / $2.818 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 630 tons, 8.2 %
      - Guns: 628 tons, 8.1 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 811 tons, 23.4 %
      - Belts: 784 tons, 10.1 %
      - Armament: 435 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 479 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 113 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1 667 tons, 21.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 327 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 225 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 65 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 65 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 053 lbs / 3 653 Kg = 12.9 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.56
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.19

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.600 / 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  9.85 ft / 3.00 m
      - Forward deck:   32.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Aft deck:   38.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.62 ft / 3.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 587 Square feet or 1 448 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 119 lbs/sq ft or 581 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.96
      - Longitudinal: 1.53
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

[KWorld]

Are the PCs intended as fleet cruisers or commerce raiders?  If the latter, a bit more range might be nice.

[Jefgte]

Are the PCs intended as fleet cruisers or commerce raiders?  If the latter, a bit more range might be nice.

They are fleet cruisers & station cruisers but, for the moment, I am under the tonnage of the building plan so, increase the range could be interresting.

I have other class to SS for raids...
PC5-1899-2500t-2x140+4x100-22kts
AT2-1899- 1000t-4x100-22kts


Jef  ;)

[Nobody]

Unfortunately your small Torpedo boat is a bit to slow to be one, Jef.

[Jefgte]

Unfortunately your small Torpedo boat is a bit to slow to be one, Jef.

That is a choice.
I could increase the speed & have a bad sea boat unable to do the job in heavy sea.
I prefer a good sea boat able to charge @ 23 kts in heavy sea.
& the crew made probably better job.

I hope that Modos have good consideration in the battle for good seaboat...

  >:( These 175t TBs are made to close Dover Strait vs Hocheseeflotte  >:(

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

Unfortunately your small Torpedo boat is a bit to slow to be one, Jef.

That is a choice.
I could increase the speed & have a bad sea boat unable to do the job in heavy sea.
I prefer a good sea boat able to charge @ 23 kts in heavy sea.
& the crew made probably better job.

I hope that Modos have good consideration in the battle for good seaboat...

  >:( These 175t TBs are made to close Dover Strait vs Hocheseeflotte  >:(

Jef  ;)

It's really not a choice: if you want them that slow, you have to build them to 1.00 overall strength, rather than 0.50 cross-sectional strength.

[Nobody]

It's really not a choice: if you want them that slow, you have to build them to 1.00 overall strength, rather than 0.50 cross-sectional strength.

Exactly, although I'm beginning to think we might need an exeption for very early ones. Maybe +/- 1 knot minimum speed for each 5 years post/pre 1900?

[KWorld]

It's not really that hard to do, if you spend a little time tweaking:

USS Rowan, United States Torpedo boat laid down 1897

Displacement:
   180 t light; 185 t standard; 201 t normal; 214 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (181.41 ft / 180.00 ft) x 17.00 ft x (6.05 / 6.29 ft)
   (55.29 m / 54.86 m) x 5.18 m  x (1.84 / 1.92 m)

Armament:
      2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.24" / 6.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1,200 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 12 lbs / 5 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.435 t each, 0.870 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,650 ihp / 2,723 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 100nm at 24.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 28 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   26 - 34

Cost:
   £0.024 million / $0.097 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 1.7 %
      - Guns: 2 tons, 1.2 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 124 tons, 61.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 52 tons, 26.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 21 tons, 10.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     40 lbs / 18 Kg = 7.1 x 2.2 " / 57 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.18
   Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 90 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.389
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.59 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.42 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 64 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 90
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   40.00 %,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.04 ft / 2.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 202.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 86.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,859 Square feet or 173 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 74 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.50
      - Overall: 0.55
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Trials speed 30.17 knots

[Jefgte]

Higher speed is probably made by the beam ratio & the set trim.
I have 9.5:1 & set trim:70
You have 10.59:1 & set trim: 90

Thanks KW

Jef  ;)

[Jefgte]

175t, France 175t laid down 1896

Displacement:
   175 t light; 179 t standard; 187 t normal; 193 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (170.00 ft / 170.00 ft) x 16.72 ft x (6.06 / 6.18 ft)
   (51.82 m / 51.82 m) x 5.10 m  x (1.85 / 1.88 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedo - 0.432 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube
      2nd Torpedoes
      1 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 14.00 ft / 4.27 m torpedo - 0.432 t total
   In a deck mounted centre rotating tube

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 624 ihp / 2 703 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 14 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   24 - 32

Cost:
   £0.023 million / $0.091 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 116 tons, 62.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 53 tons, 28.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 12 tons, 6.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 2 tons, 1.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 2 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     41 lbs / 19 Kg = 13.0 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 0.5 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 9.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.385
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.04 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 66 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.00 ft / 2.74 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.35 ft / 2.24 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 202.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 81.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 726 Square feet or 160 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 15 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 15 lbs/sq ft or 75 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 2.02
      - Overall: 0.57
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform