France ships

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Modified by "Le Directeur des Travaux" the coastal BB Henri IV is now a colonial BB class.

Henry Quatre was nick named by the British Angry Cat
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Henry IV class, France 8950T Colonial BB laid down 1895

Displacement:
   8 560 t light; 8 950 t standard; 9 991 t normal; 10 825 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (354.32 ft / 354.32 ft) x 72.85 ft x (21.97 / 23.49 ft)
   (108.00 m / 108.00 m) x 22.20 m  x (6.70 / 7.16 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.42lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.42lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 3.59lbs / 1.63kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 2 318 lbs / 1 051 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.588 t each, 2.351 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 280 mm   229.65 ft / 70.00 m   6.55 ft / 2.00 m
   Ends:   7.10" / 180 mm   118.10 ft / 36.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     6.57 ft / 2.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   7.10" / 180 mm   229.65 ft / 70.00 m   7.87 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   2nd:   12.0" / 305 mm   3.95" / 100 mm      11.0" / 280 mm
   3rd:   2.95" / 75 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.76" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.03" / 280 mm, Aft 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 500 ihp / 8 579 Kw = 17.84 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 875 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   499 - 649

Cost:
   £0.742 million / $2.966 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 515 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 512 tons, 5.1 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 270 tons, 32.7 %
      - Belts: 1 593 tons, 15.9 %
      - Armament: 650 tons, 6.5 %
      - Armour Deck: 877 tons, 8.8 %
      - Conning Towers: 150 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1 949 tons, 19.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 686 tons, 26.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 432 tons, 14.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 140 tons, 1.4 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons
      - Above deck: 100 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     14 042 lbs / 6 370 Kg = 33.3 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.45
   Metacentric height 5.9 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.21
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.46

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.617 / 0.625
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.86 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.82 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   18.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Aft deck:   37.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.80 ft / 4.51 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 80.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 116.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 19 174 Square feet or 1 781 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 114 lbs/sq ft or 557 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.19
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Possible names:
Henri IV - Clovis I - Philippe II - Louis IX - Charles VII - François I

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The older class of cruisers use at the starting of the game.



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The Plan in Progress

TYPE	technos	Name	NORMAL DISP.	DIM	ARMAMENT	SPEED & RANGE	ARMOR
AT	1893	Cassini-Cantales-Cerres-Courseau	960	82x8.3x3.5	3x100+2x65+2TTx450	21.2kts-2730nm/10kts	B25
CP	1893	Descartes-Danjoult-Denevert-Dufort	3960	99.3x12.9x6.5	4x164/45+10x100/50	19.2kts-6000nm/10kts	B25-D45
BB	1895-1898	St Louis-Gaulois	11200t	118x20.3x8.4	4x305+10x164+8x100	18kts-5000nm/12kts	B&B400-D70-T300
CP	1894-1898	Dassas-Cassard-Duvales-Dassonville	3970	99.3x12.9x6.5	6x164+4x100	19.5kts-60000nm/10kts	B25-D45
CP	1895-1898	Catinat-Carmelia-Courtillon-Cirteval	4050t	98.1x13.6x6.43	4x164+10x100+50minen	19.4kts-6000nm/10kts	B20-D60
CP	1895	Chateaurenault-Chatelmont-Chatillon-Chantenay	1895	135x17x7.39	2x164+6x140	22.3kts-11000nm/10kts	B30-D55
AC	1896-1902	Jeanne d'Arc-Hirsognac	11270t	145x19.4x8.1	6x194+6x140+4x65	22.9kts-3000nm/12kts	B150-D65-T160
BB	1898-1902	Iena-Friedland	11500t	122.15x20.8x8.4	4x305+8x164+8x100	18kts-7000nm/12kts	B,T&B320-D80
AT	1896	Dunois-Dentraigue Duvillars-Darras	905	78x8.5x3	4x100+2x47	22.6kts-2700nm/10kts	B&D15

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Bouvet, France Bouvet laid down 1893

Displacement:
   11 592 t light; 12 200 t standard; 13 575 t normal; 14 675 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (408.24 ft / 402.24 ft) x 70.20 ft x (27.55 / 29.40 ft)
   (124.43 m / 122.60 m) x 21.40 m  x (8.40 / 8.96 m)

Armament:
      2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 871.38lbs / 395.25kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 10.77" / 274 mm 45.0 cal guns - 629.95lbs / 285.74kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      8 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 76.0 cal guns - 34.92lbs / 15.84kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 76.0 cal guns - 3.59lbs / 1.63kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4 393 lbs / 1 993 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   4.72" / 120 mm   147.65 ft / 45.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     21.64 ft / 6.60 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   4.72" / 120 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     Main Belt covers 89 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   2nd:   15.8" / 400 mm   5.90" / 150 mm      15.8" / 400 mm
   3rd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      3.95" / 100 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.75" / 70 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.00" / 330 mm, Aft 11.80" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 14 000 ihp / 10 444 Kw = 18.21 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 475 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   628 - 817

Cost:
   £1.158 million / $4.631 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1 068 tons, 7.9 %
      - Guns: 1 067 tons, 7.9 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 4 468 tons, 32.9 %
      - Belts: 1 923 tons, 14.2 %
      - Armament: 1 277 tons, 9.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 964 tons, 7.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 304 tons, 2.2 %
   Machinery: 2 456 tons, 18.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 580 tons, 26.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 983 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13 743 lbs / 6 234 Kg = 15.9 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 5.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.47
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.42

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.611 / 0.619
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.73 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m,  19.70 ft / 6.00 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m,  11.80 ft / 3.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.96 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 86.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 91.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 20 860 Square feet or 1 938 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.14
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Comm june 1897

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Pothuau, France AC laid down 1893

Displacement:
   5 099 t light; 5 400 t standard; 6 206 t normal; 6 851 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (378.05 ft / 371.05 ft) x 50.20 ft x (21.00 / 22.73 ft)
   (115.23 m / 113.10 m) x 15.30 m  x (6.40 / 6.93 m)

Armament:
      2 - 7.65" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 214.54lbs / 97.31kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 7.65" / 194 mm 40.0 cal guns - 214.54lbs / 97.31kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 280 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x 2 row twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 555 lbs / 705 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   275.60 ft / 84.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   3.95" / 100 mm     95.15 ft / 29.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Upper:   1.57" / 40 mm   275.60 ft / 84.00 m   10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     Main Belt covers 114 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.57" / 40 mm      1.57" / 40 mm
   3rd:   1.57" / 40 mm         -         1.57" / 40 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.57" / 40 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 2.95" / 75 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 400 ihp / 7 758 Kw = 19.17 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 451 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   349 - 454

Cost:
   £0.539 million / $2.155 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 325 tons, 5.2 %
      - Guns: 321 tons, 5.2 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 1 198 tons, 19.3 %
      - Belts: 659 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armament: 139 tons, 2.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 350 tons, 5.6 %
      - Conning Towers: 50 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1 825 tons, 29.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 736 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 107 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 0.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 159 lbs / 2 340 Kg = 23.0 x 7.7 " / 194 mm shells or 2.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 3.0 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 85 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.70

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.555 / 0.566
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.39 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.26 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 47 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  14.12 ft / 4.30 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.97 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 114.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 13 064 Square feet or 1 214 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 91 lbs/sq ft or 442 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.06
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

com in 1897

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D'Entrecasteaux, France CP laid down 1893

Displacement:
   6 351 t light; 6 720 t standard; 7 709 t normal; 8 500 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (401.98 ft / 396.98 ft) x 58.72 ft x (24.92 / 26.76 ft)
   (122.52 m / 121.00 m) x 17.90 m  x (7.60 / 8.16 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1893 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      6 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.14lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     6 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 52.0 cal guns - 3.38lbs / 1.53kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 2 503 lbs / 1 135 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm   282.15 ft / 86.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.57" / 40 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     16.41 ft / 5.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   0.99" / 25 mm   282.18 ft / 86.01 m   11.15 ft / 3.40 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      3.95" / 100 mm
   2nd:   3.95" / 100 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      3.95" / 100 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.95" / 75 mm
   Forecastle: 1.57" / 40 mm  Quarter deck: 1.57" / 40 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.95" / 100 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 500 ihp / 8 579 Kw = 19.21 kts
   Range 7 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 780 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   410 - 534

Cost:
   £0.682 million / $2.728 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 545 tons, 7.1 %
      - Guns: 541 tons, 7.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 391 tons, 18.0 %
      - Belts: 340 tons, 4.4 %
      - Armament: 293 tons, 3.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 709 tons, 9.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 48 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 2 017 tons, 26.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 368 tons, 30.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 357 tons, 17.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 30 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     7 202 lbs / 3 267 Kg = 17.1 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 3.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.33
   Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 12.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 95 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.59
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.91

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.464 / 0.477
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.76 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.92 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -45.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m
      - Forward deck:   15.00 %,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m,  18.37 ft / 5.60 m
      - Aft deck:   40.00 %,  15.75 ft / 4.80 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Quarter deck:   30.00 %,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m,  15.10 ft / 4.60 m
      - Average freeboard:      15.82 ft / 4.82 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 108.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 050 Square feet or 1 398 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 534 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.60
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

D'estrées, France CP laid down 1897

Displacement:
   2 405 t light; 2 500 t standard; 2 985 t normal; 3 372 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (316.67 ft / 311.67 ft) x 39.38 ft x (17.72 / 19.41 ft)
   (96.52 m / 95.00 m) x 12.00 m  x (5.40 / 5.92 m)

Armament:
      2 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 318 lbs / 144 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.508 t each, 1.016 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.508 t each, 1.016 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm         -         0.77" / 20 mm
   2nd:   0.99" / 25 mm         -         0.77" / 20 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0.99" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 200 ihp / 6 117 Kw = 20.10 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 871 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   201 - 262

Cost:
   £0.287 million / $1.149 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 55 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 51 tons, 1.7 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.1 %
   Armour: 159 tons, 5.3 %
      - Armament: 17 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 141 tons, 4.7 %
   Machinery: 1 341 tons, 44.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 841 tons, 28.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 580 tons, 19.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.3 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1 702 lbs / 772 Kg = 20.5 x 5.5 " / 140 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.66
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.480 / 0.495
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.91 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m
      - Quarter deck:   18.00 %,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m,  14.75 ft / 4.50 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.75 ft / 4.50 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 154.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 8 034 Square feet or 746 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 99 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 58 lbs/sq ft or 284 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 2.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

1897 Historical cruiser with 4T2x164

http://pages14-18.mesdiscussions.net/pages1418/Forum-Pages-d-Histoire-aviation-marine/marine-1914-1918/croiseur-dupleix-sujet_697_1.htm

Dupleix, France AC laid down 1897

Displacement:
   7 420 t light; 7 700 t standard; 8 629 t normal; 9 373 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (429.50 ft / 426.50 ft) x 58.62 ft x (24.28 / 25.85 ft)
   (130.91 m / 130.00 m) x 17.87 m  x (7.40 / 7.88 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1 357 lbs / 615 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.443 t each, 0.886 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.95" / 100 mm   337.00 ft / 102.72 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     68.42 ft / 20.85 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
     21.08 ft / 6.43 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.77" / 45 mm   196.85 ft / 60.00 m   11.86 ft / 3.61 m
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   2nd:   5.90" / 150 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.87" / 200 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17 500 ihp / 13 055 Kw = 21.15 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 673 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   446 - 581

Cost:
   £0.777 million / $3.108 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 294 tons, 3.4 %
      - Guns: 290 tons, 3.4 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 658 tons, 19.2 %
      - Belts: 652 tons, 7.6 %
      - Armament: 350 tons, 4.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 528 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Towers: 128 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 2 869 tons, 33.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 549 tons, 29.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 210 tons, 14.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6 446 lbs / 2 924 Kg = 48.0 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 3.5 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 13.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 93 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.85

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, rise aft of midbreak, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.498 / 0.508
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.28 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.65 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 48 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   35.00 %,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m
      - Forward deck:   20.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m,  20.35 ft / 6.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   10.00 %,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m,  12.47 ft / 3.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.99 ft / 5.48 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 16 621 Square feet or 1 544 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 98 lbs/sq ft or 477 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.24
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[snip]

This ship will need to be discussed. Dont really have time right now to really think about it.

[Jefgte]

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2495/dupleix1910lu9.jpg

[Tanthalas]

I know her Jef, I used her to argue for 6" to be the minimum gun in turrets and barbs for the N3 rules (I lost but it was fun anyway).  Personaly im in favor of allowing her and her type but then again I like wierd ships.

[snip]

Here is my main issue as far as classifying this design within our rules.

Secondaries are 4-7" guns. 8-10" medium-caliber guns are not secondaries, but medium-caliber main guns

These gun technicly qualify as Secondaries, which means that the ship should be built to PC rules. But, she is clearly an AC due to turreted guns. My first inclination is to have the side-mounted guns be in four singles instead of two twins. Do that, and the issue can be resolved right there.

[KWorld]

Historically, the RN was building turreted PCs all through the 1890s, with the Powerful, Edgar, and Blake classes.  USS Olympia was also a protected cruiser, fitted with twin 8" turrets fore and aft.  Armored cruisers weren't especially practical during the brown powder & compound armor years, it's not until Harvey and especially Krupp armor arrived on the scene that they became practical again.


Of course, that's a different matter than the rules.  "Fixing" those could be as changing the names from AC & PC to large & small cruiser, with a minimum size of, say, 5500 tons for a large cruiser capable of carrying a turret (to allow for Olympia).

[Tanthalas]

8" guns in turrets is a non issue as its allowed by the rules, the problem is it uses 6.45" twins which fall into the secondary catagory.  if you build it under the Cruiser rules (where PCs realy fit) you end up with this

Light Cruiser Architecture - Main battery in deck mounts/casemates
1880 Baseline(0): guns in single mounts or casemates, on side/centerline
1900 Advanced(+1): ammunition hoists, deck torpedo armament, superfiring mounts
1910 Cutting Edge (+5): twin gun mounts (require hoists); powered gun mounts; unrestricted weapon armor
1920:  No restriction (high or low) on caliber of turreted guns

which dosnt realy work either, this is why in the past I argued (in vain I might add) for the BB/AC rule to allow for down to 6" guns to be turreted.

Historically, the RN was building turreted PCs all through the 1890s, with the Powerful, Edgar, and Blake classes.  USS Olympia was also a protected cruiser, fitted with twin 8" turrets fore and aft.  Armored cruisers weren't especially practical during the brown powder & compound armor years, it's not until Harvey and especially Krupp armor arrived on the scene that they became practical again.


Of course, that's a different matter than the rules.  "Fixing" those could be as changing the names from AC & PC to large & small cruiser, with a minimum size of, say, 5500 tons for a large cruiser capable of carrying a turret (to allow for Olympia).

[KWorld]

I wouldn't have thought to read the rules that way: a secondary gun, to my understanding, is a weapon that is smaller in bore than the main gun.  In this case, that's not applicable, the centerline and beam weapons are the same size.   So, it's not a secondary gun at all (on this ship).

But Jef will run in the problem again if he tries to build the Suffrens: they carried 12" guns fore and aft in twin turrets (OK), but then installed 6 6.4" guns in single turrets on the main deck.  No reason that this shouldn't be perfectly legal.  Danti Alighieri's also illegal, with her 4.7" twin turrets.