France ships

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Is she undergoing this rebuild before she's commissioned?

Yes, the original build finish in 1901- so no problemo to made modifs during the end of the build.
The ship is comm in 1903.

Add more anti TB guns is a good suggestion.
;)

Jef

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Pascal Descartes, France PC laid down 1893

Displacement:
   3 729 t light; 3 960 t standard; 4 535 t normal; 4 995 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (333.00 ft / 326.00 ft) x 42.32 ft x (21.32 / 23.01 ft)
   (101.50 m / 99.36 m) x 12.90 m  x (6.50 / 7.01 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1893 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 3.95" / 100 mm 50.0 cal guns - 32.62lbs / 14.80kg shells, 400 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1893 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 893 lbs / 405 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.551 t each, 1.101 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   326.00 ft / 99.36 m   6.55 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   0.77" / 20 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.77" / 45 mm  Quarter deck: 1.77" / 45 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 000 ihp / 6 714 Kw = 19.23 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 035 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   276 - 359

Cost:
   £0.438 million / $1.751 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 207 tons, 4.6 %
      - Guns: 205 tons, 4.5 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 461 tons, 10.2 %
      - Belts: 78 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 47 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 315 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 21 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1 694 tons, 37.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 238 tons, 27.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 805 tons, 17.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 2.9 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 80 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 816 lbs / 1 277 Kg = 21.0 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.45
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.551
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.02 ft / 6.10 m,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.56 ft / 5.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 138.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 9 535 Square feet or 886 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 345 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.86
      - Longitudinal: 3.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Dassas-Cassard-Chasseloup, France PC laid down 1894

Displacement:
   3 753 t light; 3 970 t standard; 4 535 t normal; 4 987 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (333.00 ft / 326.00 ft) x 42.32 ft x (21.32 / 22.98 ft)
   (101.50 m / 99.36 m) x 12.90 m  x (6.50 / 7.00 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1894 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 50.0 cal guns - 32.63lbs / 14.80kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1894 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 968 lbs / 439 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.569 t each, 1.138 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.99" / 25 mm   326.00 ft / 99.36 m   6.55 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 1.77" / 45 mm  Quarter deck: 1.77" / 45 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 500 ihp / 7 087 Kw = 19.50 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 017 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   276 - 359

Cost:
   £0.439 million / $1.756 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 196 tons, 4.3 %
      - Guns: 195 tons, 4.3 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 457 tons, 10.1 %
      - Belts: 78 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 43 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 315 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 21 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1 772 tons, 39.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 268 tons, 28.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 782 tons, 17.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 1.3 %
      - Hull below water: 30 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 30 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 697 lbs / 1 223 Kg = 20.1 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.35
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 11.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.540 / 0.551
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.70 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.06 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.02 ft / 6.10 m,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.56 ft / 5.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 141.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 113.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 9 535 Square feet or 886 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 98 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 72 lbs/sq ft or 354 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.85
      - Longitudinal: 4.19
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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Catinat-Protet, France PC laid down 1895

Displacement:
   3 818 t light; 4 050 t standard; 4 608 t normal; 5 054 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (329.00 ft / 322.00 ft) x 44.60 ft x (21.10 / 22.68 ft)
   (100.28 m / 98.15 m) x 13.59 m  x (6.43 / 6.91 m)

Armament:
      4 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.32lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 3.95" / 100 mm 50.0 cal guns - 32.63lbs / 14.80kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.02lbs / 1.37kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 892 lbs / 404 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.588 t each, 1.176 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm   322.00 ft / 98.15 m   6.55 ft / 2.00 m
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.77" / 45 mm         -         1.77" / 45 mm
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.35" / 60 mm
   Forecastle: 1.20" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.20" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.77" / 45 mm, Aft 1.77" / 45 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9 500 ihp / 7 087 Kw = 19.41 kts
   Range 6 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 004 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   279 - 363

Cost:
   £0.449 million / $1.797 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 214 tons, 4.7 %
      - Guns: 213 tons, 4.6 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 513 tons, 11.1 %
      - Belts: 60 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armament: 39 tons, 0.8 %
      - Armour Deck: 393 tons, 8.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 21 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1 755 tons, 38.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 286 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 789 tons, 17.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 1.1 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 25 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 826 lbs / 1 282 Kg = 21.1 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 11.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.61
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.532 / 0.543
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.22 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.94 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 52 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.00 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  20.02 ft / 6.10 m,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.56 ft / 5.35 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 139.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 115.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 9 857 Square feet or 916 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 75 lbs/sq ft or 365 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.86
      - Longitudinal: 3.94
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

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La Hire-Dunois, France AT laid down 1896

Displacement:
   874 t light; 905 t standard; 1 007 t normal; 1 088 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (258.92 ft / 255.92 ft) x 27.90 ft x (9.85 / 10.45 ft)
   (78.92 m / 78.00 m) x 8.50 m  x (3.00 / 3.18 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 140 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.08lbs / 14.10kg shells, 140 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.19lbs / 1.45kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x 2 row twin mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 131 lbs / 59 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.608 t each, 1.215 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.59" / 15 mm   255.00 ft / 77.72 m   5.25 ft / 1.60 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 153 % of normal length
   
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 0.59" / 15 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 200 ihp / 5 371 Kw = 22.61 kts
   Range 2 700nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 183 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   89 - 116

Cost:
   £0.117 million / $0.469 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 24 tons, 2.4 %
      - Guns: 22 tons, 2.2 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 74 tons, 7.3 %
      - Belts: 30 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 40 tons, 4.0 %
   Machinery: 573 tons, 56.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 200 tons, 19.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 132 tons, 13.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     279 lbs / 127 Kg = 9.1 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.72
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.17
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.44

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.501 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m,  7.22 ft / 2.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.11 ft / 3.39 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 190.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 131.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 762 Square feet or 442 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 40 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 25 lbs/sq ft or 121 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.42
      - Overall: 0.55
   Caution: Hull subject to strain in open-sea
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

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Delagravierre, France PC laid down 1897

Displacement:
   5 631 t light; 5 850 t standard; 6 204 t normal; 6 487 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (450.47 ft / 449.47 ft) x 49.20 ft x (20.99 / 21.68 ft)
   (137.30 m / 137.00 m) x 15.00 m  x (6.40 / 6.61 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      6 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1897 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.03lbs / 1.38kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 1 107 lbs / 502 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.588 t each, 1.176 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm   449.00 ft / 136.86 m   5.25 ft / 1.60 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length
   
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.77" / 20 mm         -         1.20" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0.77" / 20 mm         -         1.20" / 30 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.20" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1.20" / 30 mm, Aft 0.77" / 20 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 17 400 ihp / 12 980 Kw = 22.51 kts
   Range 3 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 636 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   349 - 454

Cost:
   £0.705 million / $2.820 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 198 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 197 tons, 3.2 %
      - Weapons: 1 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 410 tons, 6.6 %
      - Belts: 68 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armament: 22 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 306 tons, 4.9 %
      - Conning Towers: 14 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 3 164 tons, 51.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1 849 tons, 29.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 573 tons, 9.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0.2 %
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2 686 lbs / 1 218 Kg = 20.0 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.54
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 10.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, low quarterdeck ,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.468 / 0.474
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.20 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 45 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   43.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  9.18 ft / 2.80 m,  9.18 ft / 2.80 m
      - Average freeboard:      16.70 ft / 5.09 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 134.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 14 318 Square feet or 1 330 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 79 lbs/sq ft or 384 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.86
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Possible names for the class;
Delagravière-Dassonville-Devillars-Denevert-Dentraigue-Danjoult

[KWorld]

Quick, well armed, but short-legged and no armor worth the name.

[Jefgte]

Quick, well armed, but short-legged and no armor worth the name.

A thin clad...

[Jefgte]

This class is well balanced.

Chateaurenault, France PC laid down 1895

Displacement:
   7 686 t light; 8 000 t standard; 9 590 t normal; 10 862 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (443.90 ft / 442.90 ft) x 55.77 ft x (24.25 / 26.81 ft)
   (135.30 m / 135.00 m) x 17.00 m  x (7.39 / 8.17 m)

Armament:
      2 - 6.45" / 164 mm 45.0 cal guns - 135.31lbs / 61.38kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      6 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      10 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 3.03lbs / 1.38kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 804 lbs / 365 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 0.628 t each, 1.256 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   1.20" / 30 mm   442.00 ft / 134.72 m   6.55 ft / 2.00 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 154 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1.20" / 30 mm         -         1.20" / 30 mm
   2nd:   0.77" / 20 mm         -         1.20" / 30 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 2.15" / 55 mm
   Forecastle: 0.77" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0.77" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.50" / 140 mm, Aft 1.20" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 23 000 ihp / 17 158 Kw = 22.31 kts
   Range 11 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2 862 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   483 - 629

Cost:
   £0.916 million / $3.665 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 155 tons, 1.6 %
      - Guns: 153 tons, 1.6 %
      - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 862 tons, 9.0 %
      - Belts: 131 tons, 1.4 %
      - Armament: 26 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 640 tons, 6.7 %
      - Conning Towers: 65 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 4 259 tons, 44.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 385 tons, 24.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 904 tons, 19.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 25 tons, 0.3 %
      - Hull below water: 10 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 15 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5 257 lbs / 2 384 Kg = 39.2 x 6.5 " / 164 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.69
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.77

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.560 / 0.574
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.94 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.05 ft / 5.50 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Aft deck:   43.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Quarter deck:   12.00 %,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m,  17.05 ft / 5.20 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.64 ft / 5.38 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 149.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 118.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 17 406 Square feet or 1 617 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 416 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.85
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

A bit better protected, MUCH, MUCH longer ranged, but less well armed on a bigger hull.  The torpedoes seem awfully long for the period, most 1890s torpedoes that I can find were 5m or shorter.

[Jefgte]

Chateaurenault was built originaly for commerce raiding.
I could reduce slightly the range & the free center coal space could be used for
2x6.45" magazines/hoist/casemates

new armament; 4x6"45+4x5"5

Jef

[KWorld]

Heh, there's nothing wrong with commerce raiding, the USN had a pair of commerce-raiding cruisers too (USS Columbia class).  And for that, you need big bunkers but not a lot of armament.

[Jefgte]

2x6"45 + 6x5"5 & 11000nm
or
4x6"45 + 4x5"5 & 10500nm
??

Jef  ;)

[KWorld]

For a commerce raider, range is more useful than gun power, so I'd go with the 2x6.4" + 6x5.5" & 11000nm.

[Jefgte]

Testing TB from "La jeune école"

Temeraire, France 175t laid down 1896

Displacement:
   171 t light; 175 t standard; 178 t normal; 181 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (150.92 ft / 150.92 ft) x 15.09 ft x (6.84 / 6.91 ft)
   (46.00 m / 46.00 m) x 4.60 m  x (2.08 / 2.11 m)

Armament:
      2 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 3.20lbs / 1.45kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 6 lbs / 3 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      3 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.00 ft / 4.88 m torpedoes - 0.491 t each, 1.473 t total
   In 3 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3 849 ihp / 2 871 Kw = 24.00 kts
   Range 190nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 6 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   23 - 31

Cost:
   £0.022 million / $0.088 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 4 tons, 2.5 %
      - Guns: 1 tons, 0.8 %
      - Weapons: 3 tons, 1.7 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.5 %
      - Armament: 1 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 112 tons, 63.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 53 tons, 29.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7 tons, 4.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     35 lbs / 16 Kg = 11.1 x 1.9 " / 47 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.03
   Metacentric height 0.3 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 11.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.400 / 0.402
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 12.28 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 70 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 70
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  8.50 ft / 2.59 m,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m
      - Aft deck:   25.00 %,  7.50 ft / 2.29 m,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m
      - Quarter deck:   25.00 %,  7.00 ft / 2.13 m,  6.50 ft / 1.98 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.78 ft / 2.37 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 205.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 42.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 1 402 Square feet or 130 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 14 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 77 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 3.86
      - Overall: 0.61
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Extremely poor accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform