France ships

Jefgte · October 04, 2012, 05:38:57 PM

I reSS the Station BB of the Maximilien class - 6700t
2T2x274 were 4T1x274

SBB1, France SBB1 laid down 1896

Displacement:
   6 750 t light; 7 171 t standard; 8 094 t normal; 8 832 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (373.90 ft / 360.90 ft) x 59.05 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (17.50 / 19.12 ft)
   (113.96 m / 110.00 m) x 18.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m) x (5.33 / 5.83 m)

Armament:
4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.47lbs / 3.84kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 517 lbs / 1 595 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.25" / 210 mm   239.50 ft / 73.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     22.98 ft / 7.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   239.50 ft / 73.00 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 102 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.25" / 210 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 8.25" / 210 mm, Aft 5.90" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 10 600 ihp / 7 908 Kw = 18.03 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 661 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   426 - 554

Cost:
   £0.736 million / $2.944 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 569 tons, 7.0 %
     - Guns: 567 tons, 7.0 %
     - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 1 934 tons, 23.9 %
     - Belts: 890 tons, 11.0 %
     - Armament: 382 tons, 4.7 %
     - Armour Deck: 539 tons, 6.7 %
     - Conning Towers: 123 tons, 1.5 %
   Machinery: 1 767 tons, 21.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 419 tons, 29.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 344 tons, 16.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 62 tons, 0.8 %
     - On freeboard deck: 62 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     8 410 lbs / 3 815 Kg = 13.5 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 6.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.59
   Metacentric height 5.0 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 13.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.621 / 0.620
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.00 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Forward deck:   25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Aft deck:   45.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Average freeboard:      11.94 ft / 3.64 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 85.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 15 900 Square feet or 1 477 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 117 lbs/sq ft or 571 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.56
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jefgte · October 09, 2012, 05:36:50 PM

For memory

BB - 8 - 4x11300t+4x11750t
SBB - 4 - 4x7600t
AC - 6 - 2x5150t+4x7500t
CP - 20 - 2x3000t+6x3200t+4x5000t+6x4500t
AT - 20 - 12x1500t+8x1500t
TB - 58 -16x300t+18x450t+24x500t

Jefgte · October 09, 2012, 06:09:43 PM

Testing a 70m AT made to work in colonies & easy to repair in 70m slipway

AT1, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1897

Displacement:
   1 120 t light; 1 161 t standard; 1 311 t normal; 1 432 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (229.50 ft / 226.50 ft) x 28.30 ft x (13.02 / 13.96 ft)
   (69.95 m / 69.04 m) x 8.63 m x (3.97 / 4.25 m)

Armament:
3 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 8.05lbs / 3.65kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 600 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 110 lbs / 50 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 000 ihp / 5 222 Kw = 21.04 kts
   Range 3 500nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 270 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   108 - 141

Cost:
   £0.149 million / $0.595 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 20 tons, 1.6 %
     - Guns: 18 tons, 1.3 %
     - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
     - Armament: 5 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 744 tons, 56.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 341 tons, 26.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 191 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 11 tons, 0.8 %
     - On freeboard deck: 11 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     446 lbs / 202 Kg = 14.5 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 0.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.54
   Metacentric height 1.6 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 9.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.06

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.560
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 10.20 ft / 3.11 m, 11.48 ft / 3.50 m
     - Forward deck:   10.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m
     - Aft deck:   55.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Average freeboard:      10.34 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 191.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 4 473 Square feet or 416 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 56 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 43 lbs/sq ft or 212 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Jefgte · October 15, 2012, 05:35:59 PM

ReSS SBB1
4 x 7600t, was 6 x 6750t

(SBB mean Station BB or Colonial Battleship)

SBB1, France SBB1 laid down 1896

Displacement:
   7 600 t light; 8 039 t standard; 9 021 t normal; 9 807 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393.00 ft / 382.00 ft) x 65.62 ft (Bulges 72.18 ft) x (18.43 / 19.90 ft)
   (119.79 m / 116.43 m) x 20.00 m (Bulges 22.00 m) x (5.62 / 6.06 m)

Armament:
4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1896 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.91lbs / 38.06kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1896 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 8.47lbs / 3.84kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 55.0 cal guns - 0.01lbs / 0.00kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1896 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 517 lbs / 1 595 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.327 t each, 0.655 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   9.85" / 250 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.86 ft / 2.40 m
   Ends:   2.56" / 65 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     50.63 ft / 15.43 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2.56" / 65 mm   232.95 ft / 71.00 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length
     Main Belt inclined -30.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.85" / 250 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      9.85" / 250 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 7.10" / 180 mm, Aft 6.30" / 160 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11 000 ihp / 8 206 Kw = 18.02 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 768 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   462 - 601

Cost:
   £0.775 million / $3.101 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 569 tons, 6.3 %
     - Guns: 567 tons, 6.3 %
     - Weapons: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 285 tons, 25.3 %
     - Belts: 1 086 tons, 12.0 %
     - Armament: 440 tons, 4.9 %
     - Armour Deck: 634 tons, 7.0 %
     - Conning Towers: 125 tons, 1.4 %
   Machinery: 1 833 tons, 20.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2 842 tons, 31.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 422 tons, 15.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 70 tons, 0.8 %
     - On freeboard deck: 70 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10 294 lbs / 4 669 Kg = 16.5 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 7.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
   Metacentric height 5.5 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.9 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.621 / 0.626
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.54 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Forward deck:   25.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Aft deck:   45.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Average freeboard:      11.94 ft / 3.64 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 18 703 Square feet or 1 738 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 107 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 597 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.01
      - Longitudinal: 1.55
      - Overall: 1.05
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jefgte · October 16, 2012, 05:03:56 PM

The final French Navy is 116 ships & 300 000t ,300BP - half of the start budget , 600 BP.

BB - 8 - 4x11300t+4x11750t
SBB - 4 - 4x7600t
AC - 6 - 2x5150t+4x7500t
CP - 20 - 2x3000t+8x3200t+4x5000t+6x4500t
AT - 20 - 12x1540t+8x1540t
TB - 58 -16x300t+18x450t+24x500t

Jefgte · October 16, 2012, 05:39:32 PM

20x1540t Aviso Torpilleur are in the Plan
From original 1500t to new 1540t, range increase & forward 100mm gun is in higher position on the deck for these colonial ships

AT1, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1897

Displacement:
   1 540 t light; 1 591 t standard; 1 799 t normal; 1 966 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (298.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 33.47 ft x (11.42 / 12.26 ft)
   (90.92 m / 90.00 m) x 10.20 m x (3.48 / 3.74 m)

Armament:
3 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 46.5 cal guns - 8.69lbs / 3.94kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 600 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1897 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 111 lbs / 50 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.340 t each, 0.680 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 500 ihp / 5 595 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 4 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 376 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   137 - 179

Cost:
   £0.198 million / $0.791 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 21 tons, 1.2 %
     - Guns: 18 tons, 1.0 %
     - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
     - Armament: 5 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 988 tons, 54.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 510 tons, 28.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 260 tons, 14.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 0.9 %
     - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     748 lbs / 339 Kg = 24.2 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.72
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 74 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.05
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.558 / 0.568
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.82 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m
     - Forward deck:   10.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m
     - Aft deck:   55.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Average freeboard:      10.32 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 183.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 6 949 Square feet or 646 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 71 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 235 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.28
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

AT2, France Aviso Torpilleur - Station TB laid down 1899

Displacement:
   1 540 t light; 1 595 t standard; 1 818 t normal; 1 996 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (301.55 ft / 298.55 ft) x 34.05 ft x (11.38 / 12.26 ft)
   (91.91 m / 91.00 m) x 10.38 m x (3.47 / 3.74 m)

Armament:
4 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.13lbs / 14.12kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 46.5 cal guns - 8.69lbs / 3.94kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 600 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1899 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
Weight of broadside 142 lbs / 64 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.367 t each, 0.734 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 15.8" / 400 mm, 13.13 ft / 4.00 m torpedoes - 0.367 t each, 0.734 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   2nd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 500 ihp / 5 595 Kw = 21.06 kts
   Range 4 400nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 401 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   138 - 180

Cost:
   £0.198 million / $0.792 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 26 tons, 1.4 %
     - Guns: 23 tons, 1.3 %
     - Weapons: 3 tons, 0.2 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 0.3 %
     - Armament: 5 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 979 tons, 53.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 511 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 278 tons, 15.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 18 tons, 1.0 %
     - On freeboard deck: 18 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     784 lbs / 356 Kg = 25.4 x 4.0 " / 100 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.73
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.07
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle, rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.550 / 0.561
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.77 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.28 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 11.82 ft / 3.60 m
     - Forward deck:   10.00 %, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m, 12.80 ft / 3.90 m
     - Aft deck:   55.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Quarter deck:   20.00 %, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m, 9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     - Average freeboard:      10.32 ft / 3.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 180.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 98.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 7 094 Square feet or 659 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 74 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 48 lbs/sq ft or 234 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.27
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Jefgte · October 28, 2012, 06:15:04 PM

T65 to T80, France TB4-400t laid down 1900

Displacement:
   400 t light; 410 t standard; 433 t normal; 451 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (224.00 ft / 224.00 ft) x 22.40 ft x (7.95 / 8.16 ft)
   (68.28 m / 68.28 m) x 6.83 m x (2.42 / 2.49 m)

Armament:
2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.97lbs / 5.88kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
2 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
Weight of broadside 26 lbs / 12 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.550 t each, 1.100 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 16.15 ft / 4.92 m torpedoes - 0.550 t each, 1.100 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.20" / 5 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8 000 ihp / 5 968 Kw = 26.43 kts
   Range 1 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 41 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   46 - 61

Cost:
   £0.052 million / $0.210 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 9 tons, 2.0 %
     - Guns: 5 tons, 1.2 %
     - Weapons: 4 tons, 0.8 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.2 %
     - Armament: 1 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 264 tons, 61.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 110 tons, 25.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 33 tons, 7.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 16 tons, 3.7 %
     - On freeboard deck: 16 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     96 lbs / 44 Kg = 7.5 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.26
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 10.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 73 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.08
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.02

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.380 / 0.386
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 65 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 72
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   28.00 %, 11.50 ft / 3.51 m, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     - Forward deck:   26.00 %, 10.00 ft / 3.05 m, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     - Aft deck:   24.00 %, 9.00 ft / 2.74 m, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     - Quarter deck:   22.00 %, 8.00 ft / 2.44 m, 7.00 ft / 2.13 m
     - Average freeboard:      9.13 ft / 2.78 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 199.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 79.8 %
   Waterplane Area: 3 048 Square feet or 283 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 20 lbs/sq ft or 96 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 0.56
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Jefgte · October 29, 2012, 06:18:08 PM

AC3, France AC3 laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10 000 t light; 10 488 t standard; 11 582 t normal; 12 457 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (509.00 ft / 505.00 ft) x 72.18 ft x (19.42 / 20.59 ft)
   (155.14 m / 153.92 m) x 22.00 m x (5.92 / 6.28 m)

Armament:
2 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
4 - 9.45" / 240 mm 40.0 cal guns - 404.41lbs / 183.44kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
8 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 200 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm 46.5 cal guns - 13.33lbs / 6.04kg shells, 350 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 204 lbs / 1 453 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.40 ft / 5.30 m torpedoes - 0.611 t each, 1.222 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.40 ft / 5.30 m torpedoes - 0.611 t each, 1.222 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     78.75 ft / 24.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     32.55 ft / 9.92 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   393.70 ft / 120.00 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
     Main Belt covers 120 % of normal length

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   2nd:   5.90" / 150 mm   1.77" / 45 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   3rd:   1.77" / 45 mm     -         1.77" / 45 mm
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.77" / 45 mm
   Forecastle: 0.97" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.97" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 5.90" / 150 mm, Aft 3.95" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 20 400 ihp / 15 218 Kw = 21.05 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 968 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   557 - 725

Cost:
   £1.035 million / $4.142 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 727 tons, 6.3 %
     - Guns: 722 tons, 6.2 %
     - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 674 tons, 23.1 %
     - Belts: 1 320 tons, 11.4 %
     - Armament: 458 tons, 4.0 %
     - Armour Deck: 788 tons, 6.8 %
     - Conning Towers: 109 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 3 187 tons, 27.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 361 tons, 29.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 582 tons, 13.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 0.4 %
     - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11 189 lbs / 5 075 Kg = 26.5 x 9.5 " / 240 mm shells or 3.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.52
   Metacentric height 6.3 ft / 1.9 m
   Roll period: 12.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.24
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.573 / 0.581
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.47 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   18.00 %, 15.75 ft / 4.80 m, 14.77 ft / 4.50 m
     - Forward deck:   28.00 %, 14.77 ft / 4.50 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
     - Aft deck:   38.00 %, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
     - Quarter deck:   16.00 %, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m, 13.77 ft / 4.20 m
     - Average freeboard:      14.16 ft / 4.32 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 124.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 989 Square feet or 2 414 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 109 lbs/sq ft or 534 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.08
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

D'Entrecasteau turrets

KWorld · October 29, 2012, 06:33:34 PM

Mmmm. I'd suggest more secondaries/tertiaries, 4 tubes (of each size) per side is going to be kind of sparse. Also, is there any advantage to using the single turrets over twin turrets on the centerline ends? Other than redundancy, of course, .

Jefgte · October 29, 2012, 06:54:48 PM

D'Entrecasteau turrets are single turrets-T1x240/40cal-183kg
Wait 1903 to have the better T2x240/50cal-220kg

Logical progression
1895-AC1:5150t-6x194-B100
1898-AC2:7500t-8x194-B120
1900-AC3:10000t-6x240-B150

Secondary & tertiary are limited by class displacement.

snip · October 29, 2012, 07:14:24 PM

Im not to sold on this design. Her Belt is vertically short, even more so the my own Black Prince class. She is a bit slow IMO at 21knts, adequate for chasing down older ACs, but not capable vs newer ship. It also does not give them much on Tan's battleships. I agree with KWorld's comments on the secondaries, to few guns (admittedly I took a Fischerite approach and went for overwhelming amounts of 4", 24 in total). A note on the misc weight for the torps, it should be below the waterline if the torps are located there.

Jefgte · October 30, 2012, 03:49:18 AM

AC3 with 2T2x274 use on the 1896 7600t station BB
Always 10 000t

AC3, France AC3 laid down 1900

Displacement:
   10 000 t light; 10 491 t standard; 11 587 t normal; 12 463 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (507.00 ft / 496.00 ft) x 68.90 ft x (19.14 / 20.34 ft)
   (154.53 m / 151.18 m) x 21.00 m x (5.83 / 6.20 m)

Armament:
4 - 10.77" / 274 mm 40.0 cal guns - 598.64lbs / 271.54kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
10 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 83.90lbs / 38.05kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
8 - 3.95" / 100 mm 45.0 cal guns - 31.14lbs / 14.12kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
4 - 2.56" / 65.0 mm 46.5 cal guns - 8.69lbs / 3.94kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
4 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm 76.0 cal guns - 0.02lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1 000 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 3 517 lbs / 1 595 kg
Main Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.40 ft / 5.30 m torpedoes - 0.611 t each, 1.222 t total
   submerged bow & stern tubes
2nd Torpedoes
2 - 17.7" / 450 mm, 17.40 ft / 5.30 m torpedoes - 0.611 t each, 1.222 t total
   submerged side tubes

Armour:
- Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   360.00 ft / 109.73 m   9.85 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm     98.42 ft / 30.00 m   7.22 ft / 2.20 m
     37.58 ft / 11.45 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   358.00 ft / 109.12 m   7.55 ft / 2.30 m
     Main Belt covers 112 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.90" / 150 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.90" / 150 mm
   2nd:   1.77" / 45 mm   0.80" / 20 mm      1.77" / 45 mm
   3rd:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   4th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -
   5th:   0.40" / 10 mm     -           -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm
   Forecastle: 0.99" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0.99" / 25 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 9.45" / 240 mm, Aft 7.10" / 180 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20 640 ihp / 15 397 Kw = 21.01 kts
   Range 7 000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1 972 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   557 - 725

Cost:
   £1.054 million / $4.217 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 572 tons, 4.9 %
     - Guns: 567 tons, 4.9 %
     - Weapons: 5 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 2 662 tons, 23.0 %
     - Belts: 1 294 tons, 11.2 %
     - Armament: 322 tons, 2.8 %
     - Armour Deck: 863 tons, 7.4 %
     - Conning Towers: 183 tons, 1.6 %
   Machinery: 3 225 tons, 27.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3 488 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 586 tons, 13.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 54 tons, 0.5 %
     - Hull below water: 4 tons
     - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9 856 lbs / 4 471 Kg = 15.8 x 10.8 " / 274 mm shells or 3.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.26
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.20

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low forecastle,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.620 / 0.627
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.20 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.00 ft / 0.30 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
     - Forecastle:   15.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 10.82 ft / 3.30 m
     - Forward deck:   35.00 %, 13.12 ft / 4.00 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Aft deck:   35.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Quarter deck:   15.00 %, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m, 11.80 ft / 3.60 m
     - Average freeboard:      12.02 ft / 3.66 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 111.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 105.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 25 465 Square feet or 2 366 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 550 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.05
      - Longitudinal: 0.98
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

KWorld · October 30, 2012, 04:51:07 AM

Ah, now that's more like it.....

I'd probably trade the 100mm battery for more 140mm & 65mm, myself. At least settle on either the 100mm or the 65mm, having 5 bore sizes is probably excessive.

Main belt should be extended, you've got the "Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces" warning.

Jefgte · October 30, 2012, 05:17:41 AM

Im not sure that rules allow 274mm guns on an AC...

Jef

KWorld · October 30, 2012, 05:24:30 AM

Quote from: Jefgte on October 30, 2012, 05:17:41 AM
Im not sure that rules allow 274mm guns on an AC...

Jef

If the Japanese Tsukuba design is legal (and I haven't seen anyone say it isn't), then this is. I didn't see anything in THIS sim's set of rules that says it wouldn't be.