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Started by Delta Force, May 31, 2012, 11:27:30 PM

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KWorld

Quote from: Delta Force on July 25, 2012, 12:03:52 PM
Quote from: KWorld on July 25, 2012, 06:47:40 AM
Also, running SS and looking in the distribution of weights, your torpedo weight is only a third of what it should be if they're side rotating tubes (allowing you to fire at multiple angles), those would weigh 18 tons.  If, instead, you're using fixed tubes, the weight is 11 tons.  Not sure where 6 tons comes from, even the weight that appears on the Weapons page (and doesn't include everything) shows me 8.881 tons.

Do I just have to extrapolate the changes in weights on the summary page? I have been using the weights listed under the weapons page and it makes a lot of sense now as to why those weights never changed when I changed tube type.

What you do is create the design with the torpedoes that you want in the Weapons page entries (number of tubes, type of tubes, reloads, etc).  Then make the report and look in the Distribution of weights at normal displacement, it will show an entry for weapons.  Put that weight into the appropriate area of miscellaneous weight, delete the torpedoes from the weapons page, and add comments to the report to explain what you have mounted that doesn't show up in the normal places on the ship report.

Delta Force

Okay, found it. How do you get weights past the decimal place from the report though?

KWorld

Quote from: Delta Force on July 25, 2012, 12:28:16 PM
Okay, found it. How do you get weights past the decimal place from the report though?

You don't, as far was I know.

Delta Force

New revised torpedo boats. The hull dimensions (except freeboard) are the same because apparently it is the optimum shape for ships in their speed range.

Torpedo Boat Model 1900v2, Colonial Navy TB laid down 1900

Displacement:
   419 t light; 437 t standard; 500 t normal; 550 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (251.97 ft / 251.97 ft) x 21.00 ft x (8.65 / 9.19 ft)
   (76.80 m / 76.80 m) x 6.40 m  x (2.64 / 2.80 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 22.05lbs / 10.00kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 46 lbs / 21 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8,798 ihp / 6,563 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 300nm at 24.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 114 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   52 - 68

Cost:
   £0.059 million / $0.237 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 304 tons, 60.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 100 tons, 20.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 80 tons, 16.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     90 lbs / 41 Kg = 4.0 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.54
   Metacentric height 1.0 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 8.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.76

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.383 / 0.396
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  9.51 ft / 2.90 m,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  7.87 ft / 2.40 m,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m,  6.23 ft / 1.90 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.05 ft / 2.15 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 200.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 73.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,219 Square feet or 299 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 18 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 91 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.51
      - Longitudinal: 0.68
      - Overall: 0.53
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Adjusted trial speed of 30.5 knots.

Miscellaneous weight:
4 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One twin torpedo rack port and starboard.

Torpedo Boat Model 1905v2, Colonial Navy TB laid down 1905

Displacement:
   424 t light; 441 t standard; 500 t normal; 547 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (251.97 ft / 251.97 ft) x 21.00 ft x (8.65 / 9.15 ft)
   (76.80 m / 76.80 m) x 6.40 m  x (2.64 / 2.79 m)

Armament:
      2 - 3.54" / 90.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 21.32lbs / 9.67kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.48lbs / 0.67kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 46 lbs / 21 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, reciprocating cruising steam engines and steam turbines
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,434 ihp / 8,530 Kw = 28.75 kts
   Range 300nm at 24.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 105 tons (90% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   52 - 68

Cost:
   £0.059 million / $0.235 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 7 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 7 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 5 tons, 1.0 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 1 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 299 tons, 59.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 110 tons, 21.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 76 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     96 lbs / 43 Kg = 4.3 x 3.5 " / 90 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.48
   Metacentric height 0.9 ft / 0.3 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.76

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.383 / 0.395
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.87 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 63 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 66
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  10.17 ft / 3.10 m,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  8.53 ft / 2.60 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m,  6.89 ft / 2.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.71 ft / 2.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 197.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 80.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 3,219 Square feet or 299 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 21 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 19 lbs/sq ft or 94 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.88
      - Overall: 0.52
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

Adjusted trial speed of 32 knots.

Miscellaneous weight:
4 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One twin torpedo rack port and starboard.

KWorld

Being as long as possible and as narrow as possible is good for some things, certainly.  Not so good for how the ship will handle heavy storms, but it does make it easier to make them fast. 

Delta Force

Quote from: KWorld on July 25, 2012, 06:34:29 PM
Being as long as possible and as narrow as possible is good for some things, certainly.  Not so good for how the ship will handle heavy storms, but it does make it easier to make them fast.

Definitely. I was planning on making my torpedo boats and destroyers very seaworthy, but in order to get them to reach the speeds they need without oil fired boilers they will have to sacrifice their ability to operate in heavy seas. That is not such a problem for the torpedo boats as they will not be operating too far from land anyways, but I will need to find where to strike the right balance with the destroyers.

Delta Force

Thoughts on the 1000 ton destroyer? It may not be as fast as the torpedo boats of the navy, but it is a lot more seaworthy. The biggest flaw of the ship is that it has only around half the range of the larger ships in the fleet.

Destroyer Model 1900 1000 Ton, Colonial Navy DD laid down 1900

Displacement:
   819 t light; 847 t standard; 1,000 t normal; 1,123 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (295.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 24.61 ft x (10.66 / 11.59 ft)
   (90.00 m / 90.00 m) x 7.50 m  x (3.25 / 3.53 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 90 lbs / 41 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 0.98" / 25 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,949 ihp / 7,422 Kw = 25.25 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 276 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   88 - 115

Cost:
   £0.119 million / $0.477 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 13 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 13 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 6 tons, 0.6 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 2 tons, 0.2 %
   Machinery: 619 tons, 61.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 178 tons, 17.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 181 tons, 18.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     184 lbs / 84 Kg = 4.0 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.73
   Metacentric height 1.5 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 8.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.452 / 0.467
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 59
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.98 ft / 3.65 m,  10.33 ft / 3.15 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.33 ft / 3.15 m,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m,  8.69 ft / 2.65 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.51 ft / 2.90 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 203.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 87.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,642 Square feet or 431 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 32 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 103 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.84
      - Overall: 0.53
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Adjusted trial speed of 26.5 knots.

Miscellaneous weight:
4 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One twin torpedo rack port and starboard.

KWorld

Myself, I'd trade some of that seakeeping for more speed, but then, I figure a DD can never have too much speed.  Period destroyers DON'T have long ranges, so that's perfectly acceptable.  I might also look at lowering the length to beam ratio on this one, if it's got a range of 3000 miles, it may have to go out into the big water, and that 12:1 isn't good in the big waves.

Delta Force

Ironically the drag increases so much by reducing the length to beam ratio that the ship ends up significantly less seaworthy even on a heavier tonnage. It has higher seaworthiness because of the lower drag as opposed to through the stability of a wider ship.

Delta Force

Some oceangoing swift ships. The CS is intended to scout for fleet actions and provide much needed fire support to the smaller swift ships.

1905 Scout Cruiser, Colonial Navy CS laid down 1905

Displacement:
   2,885 t light; 2,990 t standard; 3,430 t normal; 3,781 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (380.58 ft / 380.58 ft) x 38.06 ft x (18.04 / 19.37 ft)
   (116.00 m / 116.00 m) x 11.60 m  x (5.50 / 5.90 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      1 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1905 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 442 lbs / 200 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 22,276 shp / 16,618 Kw = 26.00 kts
   Range 3,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 791 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   223 - 291

Cost:
   £0.370 million / $1.481 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 71 tons, 2.1 %
      - Guns: 71 tons, 2.1 %
   Armour: 41 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armament: 27 tons, 0.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 14 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 1,760 tons, 51.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,009 tons, 29.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 545 tons, 15.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,408 lbs / 639 Kg = 30.3 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.47
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 10.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.459 / 0.472
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.51 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 172.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 104.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 9,310 Square feet or 865 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 303 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Miscellaneous weight:
4 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One twin torpedo rack port and starboard.

1905 Scout Cruiser 26.5 Knots, Colonial Navy CS laid down 1905

Displacement:
   3,247 t light; 3,361 t standard; 3,830 t normal; 4,206 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (400.26 ft / 400.26 ft) x 40.03 ft x (18.04 / 19.32 ft)
   (122.00 m / 122.00 m) x 12.20 m  x (5.50 / 5.89 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      1 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal gun - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading gun in deck mount, 1905 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      1 raised mount
      Weight of broadside 442 lbs / 200 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   5th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Conning towers: Forward 2.95" / 75 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 25,234 shp / 18,825 Kw = 26.50 kts
   Range 3,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 845 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   243 - 316

Cost:
   £0.418 million / $1.673 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 71 tons, 1.8 %
      - Guns: 71 tons, 1.8 %
   Armour: 42 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armament: 27 tons, 0.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 16 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 2,013 tons, 52.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,118 tons, 29.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 583 tons, 15.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 4 tons, 0.1 %
      - On freeboard deck: 4 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,536 lbs / 697 Kg = 33.1 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.53
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 10.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.18
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.18

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.464 / 0.476
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20.01 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Aft deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m,  13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 175.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,337 Square feet or 960 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 64 lbs/sq ft or 313 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.54
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

Miscellaneous weight:
4 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One twin torpedo rack port and starboard.

Destroyer Leader Model 1905 1250 Ton, Colonial Navy DDL laid down 1905

Displacement:
   977 t light; 1,010 t standard; 1,250 t normal; 1,442 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (328.74 ft / 328.74 ft) x 27.40 ft x (11.48 / 12.68 ft)
   (100.20 m / 100.20 m) x 8.35 m  x (3.50 / 3.86 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 90 lbs / 41 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 14,116 shp / 10,530 Kw = 27.00 kts
   Range 3,600nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 432 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   104 - 136

Cost:
   £0.139 million / $0.555 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 13 tons, 1.0 %
      - Guns: 13 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.3 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 719 tons, 57.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 234 tons, 18.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 273 tons, 21.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 0.6 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     275 lbs / 125 Kg = 5.9 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.75
   Metacentric height 1.8 ft / 0.5 m
   Roll period: 8.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.423 / 0.442
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.13 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 61
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  12.63 ft / 3.85 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.17 ft / 3.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 96.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 5,626 Square feet or 523 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 53 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 23 lbs/sq ft or 113 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 0.78
      - Overall: 0.53
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Adjusted trial speed of 28 knots.

Miscellaneous weight:
8 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One 2 x 2 torpedo rack port and starboard.

Destroyer Model 1905 1000 Ton, Colonial Navy DD laid down 1905

Displacement:
   798 t light; 826 t standard; 1,000 t normal; 1,140 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (295.28 ft / 295.28 ft) x 24.61 ft x (10.66 / 11.72 ft)
   (90.00 m / 90.00 m) x 7.50 m  x (3.25 / 3.57 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.53" / 115 mm 40.0 cal guns - 44.09lbs / 20.00kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     1 x Single mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      2 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 40.0 cal guns - 1.10lbs / 0.50kg shells, 500 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      Weight of broadside 90 lbs / 41 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 12,115 shp / 9,038 Kw = 26.50 kts
   Range 3,000nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 314 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   88 - 115

Cost:
   £0.111 million / $0.443 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 13 tons, 1.3 %
      - Guns: 13 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 4 tons, 0.4 %
      - Armament: 4 tons, 0.4 %
   Machinery: 563 tons, 56.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 210 tons, 21.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 203 tons, 20.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 8 tons, 0.8 %
      - On freeboard deck: 8 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     242 lbs / 110 Kg = 5.2 x 4.5 " / 115 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.57
   Metacentric height 1.3 ft / 0.4 m
   Roll period: 9.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 75 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.14
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.25

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.452 / 0.469
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 60
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -15.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  12.63 ft / 3.85 m,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  10.99 ft / 3.35 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m,  9.35 ft / 2.85 m
      - Average freeboard:      10.17 ft / 3.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 185.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 93.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 4,642 Square feet or 431 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 49 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 24 lbs/sq ft or 115 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.54
      - Longitudinal: 1.14
      - Overall: 0.58
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Adjusted trial speed of 28 knots.

Miscellaneous weight:
8 450 mm / 5.1 meter single shot deck mounted side rotating torpedo tubes. One 2 x 2 torpedo rack port and starboard.

Jefgte

#160
To scout the Fleet, she must have the Fleet range...

The last Fleet DD3 class (1908-1250t) of NF had the classic 5000nm@12kts

Jef
"You French are fighting for money, while we English are fighting for honor!"
"Everyone is fighting for what they miss. "
Surcouf

KWorld

The scout cruisers are really just destroyer leaders, since they don't much of any armor (shields only).  Given that, having range similar to DDs seems reasonable to me.

Delta Force

Quote from: KWorld on July 31, 2012, 06:03:35 AM
The scout cruisers are really just destroyer leaders, since they don't much of any armor (shields only).  Given that, having range similar to DDs seems reasonable to me.

I already have more traditional destroyer leaders (the 1,250 ton designs), these are intended to act as flagships for large groups of destroyers and provide heavy fire support for them. They can also be used independently for short range scouting duties (making a longer range ship of high speed produces a nearly 5,000 ton ship with little or no armor). I traded range for smaller size because to get a range of 5,400 miles or higher would make it a huge unarmored target.

The design is based on the scout cruisers of the early 1900s, but since oil is not allowed it means the concept is a lot more valid than historically. The real life designs were several knots slower than the destroyers they were supposed to escort, this design is only 1.5 knots slower in calm seas and 0.50 knots slower in heavy seas.