Teutonic Marine Concepts

[Nobody]

All that being said- I don't think that the ship with 12 6" casemates per side is strange or unreasonable at all. There were British cruisers which mounted 8 per side and devoted more weight to engine space; they had the volume to mount that many 6" guns had the decision been made that firepower was more important than speed. Exactly the same timeframe as well.

Really? Erm... okay, than how about this one. This is the the ship I had in mid when i named it. I just couldn't fit it on the hull earlier.
CCC, Teutonic Crazy Cruiser Concept laid down 1900

Displacement:
   11.603 t light; 12.228 t standard; 15.000 t normal; 17.218 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (492,13 ft / 492,13 ft) x 78,74 ft x (26,25 / 29,21 ft)
   (150,00 m / 150,00 m) x 24,00 m  x (8,00 / 8,90 m)

Armament:
      4 - 8,66" / 220 mm 40,0 cal guns - 308,65lbs / 140,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      24 - 8,66" / 220 mm 40,0 cal guns - 308,65lbs / 140,00kg shells, 50 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
      8 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
      20 - 4,13" / 105 mm 40,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in any sea
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      10 - 3,46" / 88,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 17,64lbs / 8,00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 double raised mounts
      20 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 1,32lbs / 0,60kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 9.506 lbs / 4.312 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5,12" / 130 mm   341,21 ft / 104,00 m   7,22 ft / 2,20 m
   Ends:   1,97" / 50 mm   147,64 ft / 45,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
     3,28 ft / 1,00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3,94" / 100 mm   288,71 ft / 88,00 m   6,56 ft / 2,00 m
     Main Belt covers 107% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,94" / 100 mm      7,09" / 180 mm
   2nd:   7,87" / 200 mm   3,54" / 90 mm      3,94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   3,94" / 100 mm   3,15" / 80 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   4th:   1,18" / 30 mm         -               -
   5th:   0,47" / 12 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,38" / 35 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6,30" / 160 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 23.350 ihp / 17.419 Kw = 21,00 kts
   Range 6.500nm at 15,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4.989 tons (95% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1,369 million / $5,477 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1.416 tons, 9,4%
      - Guns: 1.416 tons, 9,4%
   Armour: 2.942 tons, 19,6%
      - Belts: 978 tons, 6,5%
      - Armament: 1.234 tons, 8,2%
      - Armour Deck: 596 tons, 4,0%
      - Conning Towers: 134 tons, 0,9%
   Machinery: 3.630 tons, 24,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3.615 tons, 24,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.397 tons, 22,6%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13.829 lbs / 6.273 Kg = 42,6 x 8,7 " / 220 mm shells or 1,8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,79
   Metacentric height 9,0 ft / 2,7 m
   Roll period: 11,0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,22
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,27

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,516 / 0,532
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6,25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22,18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 55
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Forward deck:   25,00%,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Aft deck:   30,00%,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  11,15 ft / 3,40 m,  11,48 ft / 3,50 m
      - Average freeboard:      11,71 ft / 3,57 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 106,3%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 82,2%
   Waterplane Area: 26.205 Square feet or 2.434 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 126 lbs/sq ft or 616 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,41
      - Overall: 1,00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[Carthaginian]

That wasn't seen as an issue until late in the pre-dreadnought period, as optics and ranges got longer.  I suppose it's a question of how much hindsight you want to employ: the more you employ, the less the ships of this period will look like many of the historical ships, because in hindsight, we know better.

Not being able to tell the difference between the 9.2" and 12" splashes isn't 'hindsight'; it is an immediately noticed problem. As Tsushima had already been fought, the knowledge of longer range engagements is already there. In fact it was a well-known enough problem that the Lord Nelson battleships were delayed due to their turrets being packed off to Dreadnought's drydock; they knew the Dreadnought was a superior ship for long range engagements.

Thing is, though, if we're going to use the argument that "all that already happened, everyone knows the lessons learned from that", then why would we be building ships that look like WWI ACs, BBs, etc, rather than dreadnoughts and dreadnought cruisers?  The mixed battery battleship was a product of it's environment, where ranges were expected to be short and guns were operating in local control.  If ranges aren't expected to be short (because of better rangefinders, etc), then designs shouldn't look historical.

KWorld - because there is not enough technological progress to build anything else.
We don't have replicators like in Star Trek.
We don't have unlimited industrial capability.
We don't have the production capacity.

The nations in our game, like those historically, are limited as much by their abilities to build ships and their components as theories. Just because we were able to theorize about an atom bomb in the 1920's doesn't mean that we could build them.

We might know that long-range combat is the more efficient way to do things- we just can't build ships with the specialized technology to fight that far until 1910... and if we choose to limit things by treaty, we can limit them even farther.

[Carthaginian]

All that being said- I don't think that the ship with 12 6" casemates per side is strange or unreasonable at all. There were British cruisers which mounted 8 per side and devoted more weight to engine space; they had the volume to mount that many 6" guns had the decision been made that firepower was more important than speed. Exactly the same timeframe as well.

Really? Erm... okay, than how about this one. This is the the ship I had in mid when i named it. I just couldn't fit it on the hull earlier.

As long as one is willing to accept the limitation of ROF due to the lower efficiency of the casemates (which means that only 1/2 of the guns can fire per turn) then... well, it would be allowable.


Personally, I think we are spending FAR too much time debating the pre-start ships.
What can we do to simplify this process?

[Desertfox]

You can't mount turrets below the freeboard? *grumble* I liked the Russian battleship with the secondaries below the freeboard...

How about devoting misc weight to power loading equipment? Say take gun size in in and multiply by 5. So a 12" gun requires 60 tons, an 8" gun 40 tons and so on? If you have it you don't get a RoF penalty, if you don't well the guns will fire slower.

[KWorld]

You can't mount turrets below the freeboard? *grumble* I liked the Russian battleship with the secondaries below the freeboard...

How about devoting misc weight to power loading equipment? Say take gun size in in and multiply by 5. So a 12" gun requires 60 tons, an 8" gun 40 tons and so on? If you have it you don't get a RoF penalty, if you don't well the guns will fire slower.

Problem I can see with this is that it opens up a loophole for the "how many guns can bear in a broadside" rule, and it encourages things that are totally odd like my AQY battleship with 6 12" guns in turrets and 4 12" casemates. 

[KWorld]

Personally, I think we are spending FAR too much time debating the pre-start ships.
What can we do to simplify this process?

IMO, just point back to the already decided rule on how many guns can bear on a broadside, and the assumption that casemate guns are not power-operated.  The combination will allow people who REALLY want to do so for story reasons to build a monstrosity like my battlehip with the 12" casemates, without forcing everyone to go down the same road in case there's a war that breaks out very early on.

Also, if the assumption is that pre-start ships PROBABLY won't be that important, don't worry about what they look like too much.

[Carthaginian]

Personally, I think we are spending FAR too much time debating the pre-start ships.
What can we do to simplify this process?

IMO, just point back to the already decided rule on how many guns can bear on a broadside, and the assumption that casemate guns are not power-operated.  The combination will allow people who REALLY want to do so for story reasons to build a monstrosity like my battlehip with the 12" casemates, without forcing everyone to go down the same road in case there's a war that breaks out very early on.

Also, if the assumption is that pre-start ships PROBABLY won't be that important, don't worry about what they look like too much.

Ok- willing to go with that advice on the startup rules.

And while the ships won't be important in the long run, they will be important early on.
We have to make sure that things are 'fair enough' but not 'too restrictive.'

[Nobody]

Maybe we should just look into the SpringSharp Manual and definitions:

Casemate mount – Pivot or ring mount gun that may have integrated shell handling all behind an armoured casemate. Armour restricted to face and hoist. All side and low mounted guns that are not broadside mounts will be considered to be casemate mounts.

[Carthaginian]

Maybe we should just look into the SpringSharp Manual and definitions:

Casemate mount – Pivot or ring mount gun that may have integrated shell handling all behind an armoured casemate. Armour restricted to face and hoist. All side and low mounted guns that are not broadside mounts will be considered to be casemate mounts.

But it's not apparent that Springsharp is accounting for 'powered' shell handling as opposed to 'integrated' shell handling. 'Integrated' shell handling could be nothing more than block and tackle; it would still require manpower and thus be slower and less efficient... but it is integral to the mount.

PS: apologies for the 'edited' notice- I didn't change the message- I hit the wrong button, but I repaired it.

[Nobody]

A rather hopeless attempt from me to design an early cruiser...
More like a too big, too slow and too poorly armored destroyer which is missing its torpedos if you ask me.
CL, Teutonic small Ccruiser laid down 1895

Displacement:
   3.123 t light; 3.226 t standard; 4.000 t normal; 4.619 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (393,70 ft / 393,70 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 18,25 ft)
   (120,00 m / 120,00 m) x 14,00 m  x (5,00 / 5,56 m)

Armament:
      6 - 4,13" / 105 mm 35,0 cal guns - 33,12lbs / 15,02kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 4,13" / 105 mm 35,0 cal guns - 33,12lbs / 15,02kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      20 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 1,39lbs / 0,63kg shells, 150 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 359 lbs / 163 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   0,98" / 25 mm   298,56 ft / 91,00 m   7,55 ft / 2,30 m
   Ends:   0,79" / 20 mm     95,14 ft / 29,00 m   8,14 ft / 2,48 m
   Upper:   0,79" / 20 mm   255,91 ft / 78,00 m   7,22 ft / 2,20 m
     Main Belt covers 117% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm      0,79" / 20 mm
   2nd:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      0,79" / 20 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1,77" / 45 mm, Aft 1,18" / 30 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 8.057 ihp / 6.011 Kw = 19,50 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.393 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   250 - 326

Cost:
   £0,321 million / $1,285 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 61 tons, 1,5%
      - Guns: 61 tons, 1,5%
   Armour: 469 tons, 11,7%
      - Belts: 173 tons, 4,3%
      - Armament: 37 tons, 0,9%
      - Armour Deck: 243 tons, 6,1%
      - Conning Towers: 16 tons, 0,4%
   Machinery: 1.366 tons, 34,1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.228 tons, 30,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 877 tons, 21,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3.923 lbs / 1.780 Kg = 111,1 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,58
   Metacentric height 3,4 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 10,5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 89 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,12
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,77

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,472 / 0,490
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19,84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,25 ft / 4,04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 115,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117,5%
   Waterplane Area: 11.751 Square feet or 1.092 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 118%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 68 lbs/sq ft or 332 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,96
      - Longitudinal: 1,40
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[KWorld]

To improve matters a bit, you can lower the cruise speed to 10 knots, and consider lowering  the freeboard a bit.  Also, you could replace the current armor scheme with a protected cruiser scheme, that will save you more tonnage.

> 6 x 2-gun mounts on sides, evenly spread
This doesn't match the number of guns at all, should be single mounts.

[Nobody]

To improve matters a bit, you can lower the cruise speed to 10 knots, and consider lowering  the freeboard a bit.  Also, you could replace the current armor scheme with a protected cruiser scheme, that will save you more tonnage.

That equals cutting the range by 30%, but it's already rather low for a cruiser.



Evolution: the next generation version of pretty much the same ship:
CL, Teutonic small Ccruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   3.446 t light; 3.555 t standard; 4.300 t normal; 4.896 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (410,11 ft / 410,11 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 18,09 ft)
   (125,00 m / 125,00 m) x 14,00 m  x (5,00 / 5,51 m)

Armament:
      6 - 4,13" / 105 mm 40,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 120 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 - 4,13" / 105 mm 40,0 cal guns - 33,07lbs / 15,00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in all but light seas
      20 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 20,0 cal guns - 1,32lbs / 0,60kg shells, 150 per gun
     Auto rapid fire guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 357 lbs / 162 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   2,17" / 55 mm   305,12 ft / 93,00 m   7,87 ft / 2,40 m
   Ends:   1,38" / 35 mm   104,99 ft / 32,00 m   8,14 ft / 2,48 m
   Upper:   1,77" / 45 mm   295,28 ft / 90,00 m   7,22 ft / 2,20 m
     Main Belt covers 114% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,38" / 35 mm   0,39" / 10 mm      1,57" / 40 mm
   2nd:   1,97" / 50 mm   0,79" / 20 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   3rd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -         0,79" / 20 mm

   - Protected deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 0,98" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 0,59" / 15 mm  Quarter deck: 0,59" / 15 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 2,95" / 75 mm, Aft 2,36" / 60 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9.178 ihp / 6.847 Kw = 20,00 kts
   Range 6.000nm at 12,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1.341 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   265 - 345

Cost:
   £0,346 million / $1,385 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 76 tons, 1,8%
      - Guns: 76 tons, 1,8%
   Armour: 691 tons, 16,1%
      - Belts: 408 tons, 9,5%
      - Armament: 42 tons, 1,0%
      - Armour Deck: 211 tons, 4,9%
      - Conning Towers: 30 tons, 0,7%
   Machinery: 1.434 tons, 33,4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.235 tons, 28,7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 854 tons, 19,9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 10 tons, 0,2%
      - Hull below water: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4.286 lbs / 1.944 Kg = 121,3 x 4,1 " / 105 mm shells or 0,9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,57
   Metacentric height 3,3 ft / 1,0 m
   Roll period: 10,6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,11
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,67

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,487 / 0,503
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8,93 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 20,25 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -10,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20,00%,  14,76 ft / 4,50 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Forward deck:   30,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Aft deck:   35,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Quarter deck:   15,00%,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m,  13,12 ft / 4,00 m
      - Average freeboard:      13,25 ft / 4,04 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 114,1%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 117,0%
   Waterplane Area: 12.404 Square feet or 1.152 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 65 lbs/sq ft or 319 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,97
      - Longitudinal: 1,26
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


And me trying a really fast cruiser. Not very successful I would say. Its a protected cruiser as in the rules. Armored belts would be useless anyway, because they would have to be significantly longer than the sip itself.
, Teutonic fast small cruiser laid down 1898

Displacement:
   3.521 t light; 3.610 t standard; 4.000 t normal; 4.312 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (479,00 ft / 472,44 ft) x 39,37 ft x (18,04 / 18,99 ft)
   (146,00 m / 144,00 m) x 12,00 m  x (5,50 / 5,79 m)

Armament:
      3 - 4,72" / 120 mm 35,0 cal guns - 44,09lbs / 20,00kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1898 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      20 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 15,0 cal guns - 1,32lbs / 0,60kg shells, 150 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1898 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 159 lbs / 72 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   1,18" / 30 mm   295,28 ft / 90,00 m   5,00 ft / 1,52 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   1,18" / 30 mm   0,39" / 10 mm      1,97" / 50 mm
   2nd:   0,47" / 12 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm  Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 1,57" / 40 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 12.000 ihp / 8.952 Kw = 22,08 kts
   Range 2.200nm at 14,00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 703 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   250 - 326

Cost:
   £0,399 million / $1,597 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 33 tons, 0,8%
      - Guns: 33 tons, 0,8%
   Armour: 336 tons, 8,4%
      - Belts: 70 tons, 1,8%
      - Armament: 15 tons, 0,4%
      - Armour Deck: 231 tons, 5,8%
      - Conning Towers: 19 tons, 0,5%
   Machinery: 1.889 tons, 47,2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1.246 tons, 31,1%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 479 tons, 12,0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 17 tons, 0,4%
      - Hull below water: 17 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1.902 lbs / 863 Kg = 36,1 x 4,7 " / 120 mm shells or 0,5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,40
   Metacentric height 2,2 ft / 0,7 m
   Roll period: 11,1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,09
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1,42

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a ram bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,417 / 0,427
   Length to Beam Ratio: 12,00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21,74 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -20,00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3,28 ft / 1,00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25,00%,  19,69 ft / 6,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Forward deck:   22,00%,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m,  16,40 ft / 5,00 m
      - Aft deck:   33,00%,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m
      - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  8,53 ft / 2,60 m,  9,19 ft / 2,80 m
      - Average freeboard:      12,62 ft / 3,85 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 155,9%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 103,0%
   Waterplane Area: 11.573 Square feet or 1.075 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 93%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 302 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0,99
      - Longitudinal: 1,09
      - Overall: 1,00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[KWorld]

To improve matters a bit, you can lower the cruise speed to 10 knots, and consider lowering  the freeboard a bit.  Also, you could replace the current armor scheme with a protected cruiser scheme, that will save you more tonnage.

That equals cutting the range by 30%, but it's already rather low for a cruiser.

Not too many cruisers of the day had a range of greater than 6000 nm, and a fair number had a lot less.  It really depends on what you think you need.  Since we don't, at the time these ships are being built, have overseas colonies, I'm not convinced I need a huge amount of range, but you might see it differently.