N4.5 Rules Question/Comment thread

[Jefgte]

...Reading again the text about the map & positions of the cities/states.
Colonization 101 - april13th

What is the size of the map ?

(km)10 000 x 15 000 - (nm) 6 000 x 9 000

or, what is the size of a square ?

(km)150 x 150 - (nm) 100 x 100

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Finaly, this info is capital for SS !!!

Jef  ;)

[Carthaginian]

...Reading again the text about the map & positions of the cities/states.
Colonization 101 - april13th

What is the size of the map ?

(km)10 000 x 15 000 - (nm) 6 000 x 9 000

or, what is the size of a square ?

(km)150 x 150 - (nm) 100 x 100

-----------------------------------
Finaly, this info is capital for SS !!!

Jef  ;)

Assume (a very dangerous word) that the map as currently displayed is ~12,500 km on the long axis.
This makes it roughly Earth-sized, and the map is 150x120 squares (though it should ideally have been about 150x145 squares).

Use this to make rough distance estimates. ;)

[Delta Force]

I have some problem with SS about "Save data file"
& some ships studies are lost. I can't reopen them  :'(  :'(  :'(

How did you save your SS ?
*.sship
*.ssr
*.ssr.sship (this one is strange...)

Thanks

Jef

You can delete the last part of the file name (that defines its type) and try to recover the data that way. I have had to manually edit file names in order to get .exe files to run before. As far as I know using this method will not damage a file, all you are doing is telling the computer how it should be read. If you give a file the wrong extension it will just not work.

[Nobody]

Assume (a very dangerous word) that the map as currently displayed is ~12,500 km on the long axis.
This makes it roughly Earth-sized, and the map is 150x120 squares (though it should ideally have been about 150x145 squares).

Use this to make rough distance estimates. ;)

That would be rather small compared to earth (average diameter ca. 12740 km, circumference >40000 km or 21600 nm). Your proposal also only has a surface area of 125 000 000 km² compared to 510 000 000 km² of our earth.

[Carthaginian]

Assume (a very dangerous word) that the map as currently displayed is ~12,500 km on the long axis.
This makes it roughly Earth-sized, and the map is 150x120 squares (though it should ideally have been about 150x145 squares).

Use this to make rough distance estimates. ;)

That would be rather small compared to earth (average diameter ca. 12740 km, circumference >40000 km or 21600 nm). Your proposal also only has a surface area of 125 000 000 km² compared to 510 000 000 km² of our earth.

Shit.
Did the math wrong.

Should be 21,600 nm on the long axis then; this makes each of the 150 squares 144 nm on a side.
This makes the short axis 17,280 nm. If it is necessary to balance things out, I'll add some 'pack ice' squares on the top.

[KWorld]

Questions on the infrastructure rules:

1 - at start, how many IPP will everyone's Infrastructure Development factories produce?

2 - At 100 IPP to purchase, new factories are going to need 25 years to pay back their investment (22.5 years if they're always run in Fixed mode).  Makes for some pretty expensive infrastructure, this might be a bit high.

3 - I assume the reference in the infrastructure rules to 1920 should be 1910, correct?

4 - Is the reference to "air forces" in the startup section a holdover from the past, or current plan?  Seems out of place for 1910-era.

[snip]

*blinks* uggg, staying up until 2am is fun. Anyway...

1 - at start, how many IPP will everyone's Infrastructure Development factories produce?

Infra Development factories work the same way as normal factories, so one point per factory. That would be 4 points per quarter at the start.

2 - At 100 IPP to purchase, new factories are going to need 25 years to pay back their investment (22.5 years if they're always run in Fixed mode).  Makes for some pretty expensive infrastructure, this might be a bit high.

Its designed to be rather high. While we did not want growth to be tied to land, we both did not want to make it supper easy for one nation to neglect its armed forces for X amount of years and come out with a huge advantage in factories that allowed them to crush the rest of us.

3 - I assume the reference in the infrastructure rules to 1920 should be 1910, correct?

Yes, the reference in the setup rules should be 1910

4 - Is the reference to "air forces" in the startup section a holdover from the past, or current plan?  Seems out of place for 1910-era.

We want aircraft to be included in the game and it was easyer to balance everything with them already being in place. So AFAIK, they would be available from the getgo with all the effectiveness of a plane in 1910. Carth may have deffering thoughts on this.

[Carthaginian]

Aircraft are at the 1910 development level- something like the 'Curtiss/Reims Racer' are the standard. There are airships that are barely functional. No one has armed aircraft- ever; it's a foreign concept.

You can't buy air units for use at this time.
You can have stories about aircraft that people are testing.
You can talk about how airships, dirigibles and zeppelins are used in experiments.
You can't use anything that flies in any kind of active role.
If you do, someone might notice that those flying gasbags move slow enough that battleship guns can hit them.

[Valles]

My thoughts in regards to Croatoa's 'air program' had been that smallish airships were used for civil purposes within the city domes, and possibly specialized larger ones as platforms for repairs to same, but were well and rightly understood to be too fragile to take Outside weather patterns on any but the calmest days, and certainly too vulnerable to ground fire for anything resembling a combat role. Hang-gliders and the like would be fairly common for sport purposes, but no powered airplanes at start of play.

Long term, I'm planning to do a lot with airships in noncombat roles, but otherwise concentrate my lust for oddness, aircraft wise, on layout.

[Carthaginian]

I am planning on having a few airships for my nation... eventually moving on to a passenger service using them, but I have no plans to use them in combat. As far as airplanes, I will only say this- I have always bwwn fasinated by the 'aircarft cruiser' and 'fleet seaplane carrier' type of ship. ;)

[KWorld]

Maintenance question: is the (doubling during wartime) cost per year or per quarter?

[snip]

per quarter was what I intended

[KWorld]

Hmmmm.  If we pay 10% per 1000 tons, that means that for a fleet that's at full size at game start, we'd be paying 50,000 tons, or 50 PP, per quarter.  Given that we only have 32 factories, so only 32 PP per quarter, I foresee a problem......

[Carthaginian]

Hmmmm.  If we pay 10% per 1000 tons, that means that for a fleet that's at full size at game start, we'd be paying 50,000 tons, or 50 PP, per quarter.  Given that we only have 32 factories, so only 32 PP per quarter, I foresee a problem......

I don't foresee much of a problem...
So you might have to scrap some older ships to afford 'fully man' your newer ones.
OR you might have to engage in 'limited wars' with fixed objectives and smaller mobilizations. ;)

[Valles]

Aaaaand before I start another fight over rule philosophy, it's recently occurred to me that there's one spinoff result that we could easily see from our existing planetary setup - the difficulty of producing landing strips, and the general proximity of most population centers to the sea, it seems likely that the flying boat era of civil aviation will last longer than it did OTL.