New World Ships...

[snip]

Guns for the start are going to be limited to 305mm, that limit was accidently deleted from the posted rules (unless Carth has changed his mind on this). Designs really need to be in SS3 as the caliber specifications can make-or-break some of these designs.

[Carthaginian]

Foxy... the hard cap on battleship guns is 12" for everyone. We had to set some kind of limit, and as this was the de facto standard for pre-dreads, thats where we set it. I think that is mentioned in this thread somewhere, and if I neglected to  put it in the design rules thread, then I will remedy that when I get home. If you want to start designing ships, go to the Springsharp site and dl SS3. You can't 'practice' in SS2 because they are too different... it is SS3 or nuthin.

From the Treaty/Rules Document:

Section 4.01   Battleships
   A Battleship shall, for the purposes of this treaty, heretofore be classified by the following qualifications. Any ship meeting one of these qualifications shall be termed a Battleship and shall count against tonnage allocated for Battleships, even if it does not meet all the qualifications.
(a)   a vessel with four or more guns of no greater than 12"/305mm.

[Carthaginian]

Sort of a 2nd Class BB...

laid down 1895

Displacement:
   8,644 t light; 9,050 t standard; 9,750 t normal; 10,310 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (375.00 ft / 375.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (20.00 / 20.97 ft)
   (114.30 m / 114.30 m) x 21.34 m  x (6.10 / 6.39 m)

Armament:
      2 - 12.00" / 305 mm 45.0 cal guns - 874.99lbs / 396.89kg shells, 80 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck forward
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck aft
      6 - 7.50" / 191 mm 45.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 50.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      6 raised mounts
      4 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.51lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,024 lbs / 1,372 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   230.00 ft / 70.10 m   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   145.00 ft / 44.20 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
     Main Belt covers 94 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm
   2nd:   8.00" / 203 mm   4.00" / 102 mm      6.00" / 152 mm

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.50" / 38 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.00" / 203 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 11,600 ihp / 8,654 Kw = 18.01 kts
   Range 4,600nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,260 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   489 - 637

Cost:
   £0.865 million / $3.461 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 723 tons, 7.4 %
      - Guns: 723 tons, 7.4 %
   Armour: 2,913 tons, 29.9 %
      - Belts: 1,545 tons, 15.8 %
      - Armament: 767 tons, 7.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 522 tons, 5.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 79 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,966 tons, 20.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,982 tons, 30.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,106 tons, 11.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 60 tons, 0.6 %
      - Hull below water: 25 tons
      - Hull above water: 25 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,470 lbs / 5,656 Kg = 14.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.43
   Metacentric height 5.4 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 12.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.36
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.650 / 0.655
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.36 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   19.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Aft deck:   32.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarter deck:   19.00 %,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m,  16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:      17.14 ft / 5.22 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 93.2 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 20,109 Square feet or 1,868 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 101 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 586 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.91
      - Longitudinal: 2.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Desertfox]

Ahhhh!!! SS3 is monstrous! Missed that limit, time to learn SS3.

[Logi]

A light BB, chose A-Q-X really because A-Q-X is 6 main guns and having a decent sized immediately battery in winged turrets for A-X main battery requires too much weight (18 kton).

Edit: Forgot to add light secondary (it would have been an all-big-gun ship otherwise). +200 tons on normal load.

002 Project, New World Battleship laid down 1895

Displacement:
   10,436 t light; 10,971 t standard; 11,800 t normal; 12,464 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (380.00 ft / 380.00 ft) x 68.00 ft x (27.00 / 28.24 ft)
   (115.82 m / 115.82 m) x 20.73 m  x (8.23 / 8.61 m)

Armament:
      6 - 12.00" / 305 mm 40.0 cal guns - 899.99lbs / 408.23kg shells, 90 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     3 x Twin mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      8 - 4.00" / 102 mm 45.0 cal guns - 32.27lbs / 14.64kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      Weight of broadside 5,658 lbs / 2,566 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   13.4" / 340 mm   198.00 ft / 60.35 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   182.00 ft / 55.47 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 80 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   14.5" / 368 mm   7.50" / 191 mm      13.2" / 335 mm
   2nd:   4.00" / 102 mm         -         4.00" / 102 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 3.00" / 76 mm  Quarter deck: 3.00" / 76 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 13.40" / 340 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,991 ihp / 7,453 Kw = 17.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,493 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   565 - 735

Cost:
   £1.027 million / $4.108 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 831 tons, 7.0 %
      - Guns: 831 tons, 7.0 %
   Armour: 4,356 tons, 36.9 %
      - Belts: 2,043 tons, 17.3 %
      - Armament: 1,114 tons, 9.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,049 tons, 8.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 150 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 1,693 tons, 14.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,555 tons, 30.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,364 tons, 11.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,365 lbs / 6,062 Kg = 15.5 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.22
   Metacentric height 4.0 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.592 / 0.598
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.59 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.49 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 45
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  17.00 ft / 5.18 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  14.00 ft / 4.27 m,  15.00 ft / 4.57 m
      - Average freeboard:      14.59 ft / 4.45 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 79.8 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 90.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,757 Square feet or 1,743 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 139 lbs/sq ft or 678 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.47
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Desertfox]

Ok tried my hand at SS3 but doing something wrong. Anyone know why I keep getting 0.00 CS?


Wolf, Wolfistan Heavy Cruiser laid down 1905
DESIGN FAILURE: Ship will capsize

Displacement:
   7,732 t light; 8,283 t standard; 12,500 t normal; 15,874 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (509.10 ft / 500.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (25.00 / 30.06 ft)
   (155.17 m / 152.40 m) x 21.34 m  x (7.62 / 9.16 m)

Armament:
      5 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     5 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts
      10 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x 2-gun mounts layout not set
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,162 lbs / 1,434 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      12 - 20.0" / 508 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 1.053 t each, 12.641 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      Mines
      50 - 500.00 lbs / 226.80 kg mines - 11.161 t total
   in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 17,042 shp / 12,714 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 7,591 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   590 - 768

Cost:
   £0.764 million / $3.057 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 911 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 872 tons, 7.0 %
      - Weapons: 39 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 3,127 tons, 25.0 %
      - Belts: 1,194 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armament: 755 tons, 6.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,143 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 1,406 tons, 11.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,088 tons, 16.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4,768 tons, 38.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     0 lbs / 0 Kg = 0.0 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 0.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.00
   Metacentric height -2.9 ft / -0.9 m
   Roll period: NaN seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 0 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): Infinity
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.528
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.40 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 61.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,320 Square feet or 2,166 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 139 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 71 lbs/sq ft or 346 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.00
      - Longitudinal: 0.00
      - Overall: NaN
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

[Carthaginian]

Because you didnt set the gun layout. That is a seperate dropdown. Also, no turbines in starting ships.

[snip]

at least starting ships of that size. I though Light Cruiser and below could?

[Carthaginian]

Light cruisers- we'll have to discuss that.
Most did have VTE, but some had turbines.
Perhaps light cruisers and below after 1900... no earlier.
Also, Foxy, the layout is distinctly dreadnought; there aren't to be any superfiring main turrets- and the superfiring secondaries are assumed to be a very limiting addition, similar to those on Virginia class BBs and that battleship class that starts with a K.

[Desertfox]

I did set the gun layout. Checked everything not sure why SS3 is frieking out.

Wolf, Wolfistan Heavy Cruiser laid down 1905
DESIGN FAILURE: Ship will capsize

Displacement:
   10,540 t light; 11,091 t standard; 12,500 t normal; 13,628 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (509.10 ft / 500.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (25.00 / 26.69 ft)
   (155.17 m / 152.40 m) x 21.34 m  x (7.62 / 8.14 m)

Armament:
      5 - 10.00" / 254 mm 45.0 cal guns - 504.26lbs / 228.73kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
     2 x Single mounts on sides amidships
      10 - 5.00" / 127 mm 45.0 cal guns - 63.03lbs / 28.59kg shells, 170 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      20 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 45.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x 2-gun mounts layout not set
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,162 lbs / 1,434 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      12 - 20.0" / 508 mm, 20.00 ft / 6.10 m torpedoes - 1.053 t each, 12.641 t total
   In 4 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes
      Mines
      50 - 500.00 lbs / 226.80 kg mines - 11.161 t total
   in Above water - Stern racks/rails

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      7.00" / 178 mm
   2nd:   1.00" / 25 mm   0.50" / 13 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm   0.50" / 13 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 17,042 ihp / 12,714 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 10,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,537 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   590 - 768

Cost:
   £1.008 million / $4.032 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 911 tons, 7.3 %
      - Guns: 872 tons, 7.0 %
      - Weapons: 39 tons, 0.3 %
   Armour: 3,066 tons, 24.5 %
      - Belts: 1,194 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armament: 694 tons, 5.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,143 tons, 9.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 35 tons, 0.3 %
   Machinery: 2,445 tons, 19.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,917 tons, 31.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,960 tons, 15.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.6 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 150 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     0 lbs / 0 Kg = 0.0 x 10.0 " / 254 mm shells or 0.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.00
   Metacentric height -2.9 ft / -0.9 m
   Roll period: NaN seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 0 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): Infinity
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.500 / 0.511
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.14 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  25.00 ft / 7.62 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      20.40 ft / 6.22 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 88.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 148.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 23,320 Square feet or 2,166 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 114 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 588 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.00
      - Longitudinal: 0.00
      - Overall: NaN
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has quick, lively roll, not a steady gun platform
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

[Carthaginian]

Ok, Foxy...

You have several warnings that might be displaying.
Check the 'Beam Between Bulkheads' setting on the Armor tab.... that one sneaks in a lot.

Second- no ship till WWII had that kind of torpedo armament.
PLEASE, don't tempt fate right out of the starting gate.

[Carthaginian]

Only real problems I have with the design:
1.) Unrealistic amount of torpedoes; no large ship had torp armament like that till the Japanese torpedo cruisers.
2.) Large mags for the 10" guns and very small ones for the 5" guns; drop some main gun shells for some more secondary gun ammo.
3.) The belts aren't tall enough- water/wave interaction might be an issue... I'm no engineer, but it might be something you need to check.

[Carthaginian]

A design for an early 2nd class Torpedo Boat- she has appreciable guns armament for her size, a powerful load of torpedoes (2 either beam, one over the stern) and a very good turn of speed for the day. The 30 knot trial speed would probably be restricted to days with less than 3 foot seas, but with a relative Seakeeping of 0.89, they are still good seaboats for such a small craft.

They would be designed for the coastal areas in the between Continent #1 and Continent #2, and the 'bight' between the lower and upper part of Continent #1 (where I'm planning to settle if possible).

Torpedo Ram #20,  Torpedo Boat laid down 1900

Displacement:
   267 t light; 280 t standard; 300 t normal; 316 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (200.00 ft / 200.00 ft) x 18.00 ft x (6.00 / 6.24 ft)
   (60.96 m / 60.96 m) x 5.49 m  x (1.83 / 1.90 m)

Armament:
      1 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal gun - 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 250 per gun
     Quick firing gun in deck mount, 1900 Model
     1 x Twin mount on centreline, forward deck centre
      4 - 2.00" / 50.8 mm 45.0 cal guns - 5.00lbs / 2.27kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      2 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck aft
      2 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 33 lbs / 15 kg
      Main Torpedoes
      4 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 16.50 ft / 5.03 m torpedoes - 0.600 t each, 2.401 t total
   In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes
      2nd Torpedoes
      1 - 18.0" / 457 mm, 16.50 ft / 5.03 m torpedo - 0.600 t total
   In a deck mounted carriage/fixed tube

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 5,600 ihp / 4,178 Kw = 25.00 kts/30.00 kts trial speed
   Range 1,136nm at 10.00 kts
   Range 90 nm at 25.00 kts
   Range 735 nm at 10.00 kts with 24 nm at 25.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 36 tons (100% coal)
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   35 - 46

Cost:
   £0.037 million / $0.147 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 10 tons, 3.2 %
      - Guns: 6 tons, 2.0 %
      - Weapons: 4 tons, 1.3 %
   Machinery: 184 tons, 61.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 71 tons, 23.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 33 tons, 11.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3 tons, 1.0 %
      - On freeboard deck: 3 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     68 lbs / 31 Kg = 5.1 x 3.0 " / 76 mm shells or 0.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.50
   Metacentric height 0.8 ft / 0.2 m
   Roll period: 8.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 0.89

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.486 / 0.493
   Length to Beam Ratio: 11.11 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 14.14 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 67 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 56
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -14.05 degrees
   Stern overhang: -5.00 ft / -1.52 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  9.25 ft / 2.82 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  9.25 ft / 2.82 m,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  8.00 ft / 2.44 m,  6.75 ft / 2.06 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  6.75 ft / 2.06 m,  6.00 ft / 1.83 m
      - Average freeboard:      7.83 ft / 2.39 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 204.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 97.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 2,368 Square feet or 220 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 17 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 16 lbs/sq ft or 80 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.38
      - Overall: 0.55
   Extremely poor machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Adequate accommodation and workspace room
   Poor seaboat, wet and uncomfortable, reduced performance in heavy weather

[Carthaginian]

Rats, forgot to do the torps in meters.
Editing now.

FIXED.

[Nobody]

@Carthaginian
With that amount of guns, isn't it more like a destroyer than a torpedo boat?


QUESTION:
With a small patrol boat like this you're likely to have some reserves, what would you do with that?

• a) build them to excessive hull strength
  
• b) use 'paper' armor (which I did)
  
• c) declare them as misc weight
  
• d) something else?
  
  
  
  PB1, Patrol Boat laid down 1900
  
  Displacement:
     94 t light; 97 t standard; 100 t normal; 103 t full load
  
  Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
     (82,02 ft / 82,02 ft) x 16,40 ft x (4,92 / 5,02 ft)
     (25,00 m / 25,00 m) x 5,00 m  x (1,50 / 1,53 m)
  
  Armament:
        1 - 1,97" / 50,0 mm 45,0 cal gun - 3,85lbs / 1,74kg shells, 200 per gun
       Breech loading gun in deck and hoist mount, 1900 Model
       1 x Single mount on centreline forward
        5 - 1,46" / 37,0 mm 25,0 cal guns - 1,40lbs / 0,64kg shells, 150 per gun
       Quick firing guns in deck mount, 1900 Model
       1 x Quintuple mount on centreline aft
        3 - 0,31" / 8,0 mm 80,0 cal guns - 0,02lbs / 0,01kg shells, 1.500 per gun
       Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
       2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
        2 raised mounts
       1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck centre
        1 raised mount
        Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
  
  Armour:
     - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
     Main:   0,47" / 12 mm     65,62 ft / 20,00 m   6,89 ft / 2,10 m
     Ends:   0,31" / 8 mm     16,40 ft / 5,00 m   9,84 ft / 3,00 m
     Upper:   0,31" / 8 mm     49,21 ft / 15,00 m   8,01 ft / 2,44 m
       Main Belt covers 123% of normal length
  
     - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
     Main:   0,79" / 20 mm         -         1,57" / 40 mm
     2nd:   0,39" / 10 mm         -               -
  
     - Conning towers: Forward 0,79" / 20 mm, Aft 0,00" / 0 mm
  
  Machinery:
     Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
     Direct drive, 1 shaft, 200 ihp / 149 Kw = 11,51 kts
     Range 500nm at 8,00 kts
     Bunker at max displacement = 6 tons (100% coal)
  
  Complement:
     15 - 20
  
  Cost:
     £0,008 million / $0,034 million
  
  Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
     Armament: 2 tons, 2,3%
        - Guns: 2 tons, 2,3%
     Armour: 20 tons, 19,9%
        - Belts: 17 tons, 16,6%
        - Armament: 3 tons, 2,9%
        - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0,4%
     Machinery: 31 tons, 31,3%
     Hull, fittings & equipment: 40 tons, 40,3%
     Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6 tons, 6,3%
     Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0,0%
  
  Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
     Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
       151 lbs / 69 Kg = 39,7 x 2,0 " / 50 mm shells or 0,2 torpedoes
     Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,32
     Metacentric height 0,5 ft / 0,2 m
     Roll period: 9,4 seconds
     Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 80 %
           - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,22
     Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2,00
  
  Hull form characteristics:
     Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
       a normal bow and a cruiser stern
     Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,529 / 0,531
     Length to Beam Ratio: 5,00 : 1
     'Natural speed' for length: 9,06 kts
     Power going to wave formation at top speed: 62 %
     Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
     Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0,00 degrees
     Stern overhang: 0,00 ft / 0,00 m
     Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
              Fore end,    Aft end
        - Forecastle:   25,00%,  12,60 ft / 3,84 m,  10,30 ft / 3,14 m
        - Forward deck:   35,00%,  10,30 ft / 3,14 m,  10,30 ft / 3,14 m
        - Aft deck:   20,00%,  5,15 ft / 1,57 m,  5,15 ft / 1,57 m
        - Quarter deck:   20,00%,  5,15 ft / 1,57 m,  5,15 ft / 1,57 m
        - Average freeboard:      8,47 ft / 2,58 m
  
  Ship space, strength and comments:
     Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 109,1%
        - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 95,2%
     Waterplane Area: 889 Square feet or 83 Square metres
     Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112%
     Structure weight / hull surface area: 21 lbs/sq ft or 103 Kg/sq metre
     Hull strength (Relative):
        - Cross-sectional: 0,74
        - Longitudinal: 15,48
        - Overall: 1,00
     Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
     Adequate accommodation and workspace room
     Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
     Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather
  
  37 mm "Quintuple" is a Hotchkiss Revolving Cannon