New World Ships...

[Valles]

Hmmm. Let's try this, then... You've got a good point about the gun size, but I'm reluctant to compromise armor too much, given the absence of anything heavier in Croatoa's inventory. The range still isn't quite where I'd like it, but it's solid, and the punch is hard to argue with. I'd already been considering going for a BB-range tonnage rather than an HC one, and using the mass for range, speed, and a relative forest of 250mm guns, but cramming them into 15 ktons is actually pretty workable.

Hand-class, Croatoa Frigate laid down 1905

Displacement:
   12,811 t light; 13,780 t standard; 15,000 t normal; 15,976 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (565.26 ft / 557.74 ft) x 65.62 ft x (26.25 / 27.59 ft)
   (172.29 m / 170.00 m) x 20.00 m  x (8.00 / 8.41 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.84" / 250 mm 40.0 cal guns - 496.04lbs / 225.00kg shells, 180 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1905 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      20 - 4.92" / 125 mm 50.0 cal guns - 66.14lbs / 30.00kg shells, 500 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1905 Model
     20 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      10 raised mounts
      10 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.55lbs / 0.25kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1905 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck forward
      10 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 4,305 lbs / 1,953 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.86" / 225 mm   362.53 ft / 110.50 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   195.18 ft / 59.49 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   362.53 ft / 110.50 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.84" / 250 mm   5.91" / 150 mm      7.87" / 200 mm
   2nd:   0.39" / 10 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm   0.39" / 10 mm            -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 1.97" / 50 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 8.86" / 225 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 ihp / 14,920 Kw = 20.39 kts
   Range 5,067nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,195 tons (90% coal)

Complement:
   677 - 881

Cost:
   £1.146 million / $4.582 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 922 tons, 6.1 %
      - Guns: 922 tons, 6.1 %
   Armour: 4,717 tons, 31.4 %
      - Belts: 3,087 tons, 20.6 %
      - Armament: 765 tons, 5.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 749 tons, 5.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 116 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 2,870 tons, 19.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,152 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,189 tons, 14.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 1.0 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 50 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     17,742 lbs / 8,047 Kg = 37.2 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 2.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.17
   Metacentric height 3.6 ft / 1.1 m
   Roll period: 14.6 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.63

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.547 / 0.554
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.62 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 44
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.89 ft / 0.88 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  26.25 ft / 8.00 m,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m
      - Forward deck:   10.00 %,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m,  24.61 ft / 7.50 m
      - Aft deck:   55.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m,  16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.55 ft / 5.66 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 25,459 Square feet or 2,365 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 112 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 116 lbs/sq ft or 567 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[snip]

Now that is an AC worth its salt. * debates altering the Faith's to accommodate two more 254mm guns*

[Carthaginian]

A design for a long-ranged armored cruiser with a good armor scheme and good armor protection... though a bit deficient in armament. The shallower draft is intentional as I don't plan on having all my ports having deep harbors.

Something like H.M.S. Powerful, though not quite as powerful.

Armored Cruiser #10,  laid down 1900

Displacement:
   8,610 t light; 9,100 t standard; 10,000 t normal; 10,720 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (500.00 ft / 500.00 ft) x 50.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.40 ft)
   (152.40 m / 152.40 m) x 15.24 m  x (7.32 / 7.74 m)

Armament:
      2 - 9.20" / 234 mm 45.0 cal guns - 400.00lbs / 181.44kg shells, 175 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      12 - 5.50" / 140 mm 45.0 cal guns - 75.00lbs / 34.02kg shells, 350 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      12 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      12 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      12 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.50lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     8 x Single mounts on sides, forward evenly spread
      8 raised mounts
     4 x Single mounts on sides, aft evenly spread
      4 double raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 1,850 lbs / 839 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.00" / 127 mm   350.00 ft / 106.68 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   150.00 ft / 45.72 m   10.00 ft / 3.05 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   250.00 ft / 76.20 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   3.00" / 76 mm      4.00" / 102 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      3.00" / 76 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 5.00" / 127 mm, Aft 5.00" / 127 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18,000 ihp / 13,428 Kw = 21.05 kts
   Range 6,270nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,620 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   499 - 650

Cost:
   £0.825 million / $3.301 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 403 tons, 4.0 %
      - Guns: 403 tons, 4.0 %
   Armour: 2,575 tons, 25.8 %
      - Belts: 1,617 tons, 16.2 %
      - Armament: 239 tons, 2.4 %
      - Armour Deck: 619 tons, 6.2 %
      - Conning Towers: 100 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 2,813 tons, 28.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,584 tons, 25.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,390 tons, 13.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 235 tons, 2.4 %
      - Hull below water: 90 tons
      - Hull above water: 90 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 55 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,412 lbs / 4,269 Kg = 24.2 x 9.2 " / 234 mm shells or 1.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.23
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.99

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.583 / 0.591
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.36 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 41 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  26.00 ft / 7.92 m,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m
      - Forward deck:   50.00 %,  23.00 ft / 7.01 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   20.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  12.00 ft / 3.66 m,  13.00 ft / 3.96 m
      - Average freeboard:      18.66 ft / 5.69 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.4 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 129.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,002 Square feet or 1,672 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 103 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 86 lbs/sq ft or 419 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Valles]

AC No. 10:

- I'm not enthralled with the 'two finisher guns' layout, but I suppose it's a reasonable choice.
- The secondaries are all forward, which is fine, but how does that interact with the tertiaries being fully spread?
- The MGs, of course, are raised on the superstructure
- 5" belt and such feels a little light to me, but I know that I overemphasize armor, and the deck is very solid.
- The decks are consistently 7', as I read it, with a 1' space for the armor deck and a 3' one for the keel?
- *notes location of midbreak* ...Ah, that makes the secondaries make more sense, but I'm still not sure where the 3" are supposed to go.

[Carthaginian]

AC No. 10:

- I'm not enthralled with the 'two finisher guns' layout, but I suppose it's a reasonable choice.
- The secondaries are all forward, which is fine, but how does that interact with the tertiaries being fully spread?
- The MGs, of course, are raised on the superstructure
- 5" belt and such feels a little light to me, but I know that I overemphasize armor, and the deck is very solid.
- The decks are consistently 7', as I read it, with a 1' space for the armor deck and a 3' one for the keel?
- *notes location of midbreak* ...Ah, that makes the secondaries make more sense, but I'm still not sure where the 3" are supposed to go.

1.) Yeah- I would have liked three guns (twin and single) but there wasn't enough tonnage. You'll see where it goes when my last armored cruiser comes around.
2.) Well, the tertiaries mean that there are a couple which are in the wrong sites! :P I meant to have the four aft-most elevated, but forgot to have that show.
3.) Yep- though the aftmost 4 will need to be double-raised mounts.
4.) That's wrong; the armored deck should be a single deck- with a consistent 8' deck height and a 3'ish keel. If I had done the armored deck right, then it would have made sense. For future reference, that is the layout that all my ships over destroyer size have.
5.) Yeah... I'll fix that.

[Carthaginian]

The late 'flagship' of my starting navy- a monstrously large cruiser, bristling with weaponry and of a completely outdated style. If you can catch it, you probably won't be able to kill it. Then again, it's one of those cases where the designers 'forgot' the heavy guns, and though it has a good steaming range, a good turn of speed and carries an ample supply of ammunition... it is still just a broadside cruiser with chasers trying to live in a world of turreted cruisers.

Also, because of her sheer size, she winds up classed as a 'heavy' cruiser rather than a 'medium' one- and this means that she is not just outdated compared to her contemporaries... she is completely under-gunned.

laid down 1895
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)

Displacement:
   10,312 t light; 11,100 t standard; 12,000 t normal; 12,720 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (475.00 ft / 475.00 ft) x 70.00 ft x (24.00 / 25.11 ft)
   (144.78 m / 144.78 m) x 21.34 m  x (7.32 / 7.65 m)

Armament:
      4 - 7.50" / 191 mm 45.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 raised mounts - superfiring
      2 - 7.50" / 191 mm 45.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts, 1895 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck forward
      12 - 7.50" / 191 mm 45.0 cal guns - 200.00lbs / 90.72kg shells, 250 per gun
     Breech loading guns in broadside mounts, 1895 Model
     12 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      12 hull mounts on upper deck- Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 12.00lbs / 5.44kg shells, 400 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     16 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      20 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 50.0 cal guns - 0.51lbs / 0.23kg shells, 1,000 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1895 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,802 lbs / 1,725 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   6.00" / 152 mm   334.00 ft / 101.80 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Ends:   3.00" / 76 mm   141.00 ft / 42.98 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   310.00 ft / 94.49 m   14.00 ft / 4.27 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   3.00" / 76 mm         -         3.00" / 76 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      3.00" / 76 mm
   3rd:   3.00" / 76 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - multiple decks:
   For and Aft decks: 3.00" / 76 mm
   Forecastle: 1.50" / 38 mm  Quarter deck: 1.50" / 38 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 6.00" / 152 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18,000 ihp / 13,428 Kw = 20.29 kts
   Range 5,245nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,620 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   573 - 745

Cost:
   £1.020 million / $4.079 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 665 tons, 5.5 %
      - Guns: 665 tons, 5.5 %
   Armour: 3,147 tons, 26.2 %
      - Belts: 1,765 tons, 14.7 %
      - Armament: 141 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,172 tons, 9.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 68 tons, 0.6 %
   Machinery: 3,051 tons, 25.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,329 tons, 27.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,688 tons, 14.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 120 tons, 1.0 %
      - Hull below water: 50 tons
      - Hull above water: 50 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 20 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     12,140 lbs / 5,507 Kg = 57.6 x 7.5 " / 191 mm shells or 1.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.49
   Metacentric height 5.8 ft / 1.8 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.30
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.66

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.526 / 0.533
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.79 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.79 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 42
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m,  28.00 ft / 8.53 m
      - Forward deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m,  20.00 ft / 6.10 m
      - Average freeboard:      21.20 ft / 6.46 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 104.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 150.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 22,697 Square feet or 2,109 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 104 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 549 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.60
      - Overall: 1.00
   Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

With the 15000t cruiser limit, we are going to have this kind of powerful cruisers.

Jef

[Carthaginian]

Well, that's the only one of its kind in my fleet.
The next ship will be very much a reduced vessel... and a more practical one.

[Carthaginian]

A large gunboat, useful for colonial duties...


laid down 1900

Displacement:
   1,433 t light; 1,500 t standard; 1,750 t normal; 1,950 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (300.00 ft / 300.00 ft) x 35.00 ft x (12.00 / 13.01 ft)
   (91.44 m / 91.44 m) x 10.67 m  x (3.66 / 3.97 m)

Armament:
      2 - 4.75" / 121 mm 45.0 cal guns - 50.00lbs / 22.68kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, forward deck centre
      2 hull mounts in casemates- Limited use in heavy seas
      2 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm 45.0 cal guns - 11.99lbs / 5.44kg shells, 300 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     2 x Single mounts on sides, aft deck centre
      20 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.50lbs / 0.68kg shells, 800 per gun
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     4 x Quintuple mounts on sides, evenly spread
      4 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 178 lbs / 81 kg

Armour:
   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm         -               -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Protected deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.00" / 25 mm
   Forecastle: 1.00" / 25 mm  Quarter deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 3.00" / 76 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 4,000 ihp / 2,984 Kw = 18.15 kts
   Range 5,185nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 450 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   134 - 175

Cost:
   £0.148 million / $0.590 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 35 tons, 2.0 %
      - Guns: 35 tons, 2.0 %
   Armour: 158 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armament: 20 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 129 tons, 7.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 9 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 625 tons, 35.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 565 tons, 32.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 317 tons, 18.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 50 tons, 2.9 %
      - Hull below water: 20 tons
      - Hull above water: 20 tons
      - On freeboard deck: 10 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,722 lbs / 781 Kg = 32.1 x 4.8 " / 121 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.58
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 9.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.10
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.486 / 0.499
   Length to Beam Ratio: 8.57 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 35
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   15.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m,  18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Aft deck:   45.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m,  10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:      13.20 ft / 4.02 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 125.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 126.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 6,908 Square feet or 642 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 113 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 49 lbs/sq ft or 237 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.30
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Excellent accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

[Jefgte]

Not large, but medium.
I study large (3000t) with landing possibilities.

Jef  ;)

[Logi]

I am very confused by the treaty limitations on gun caliber and amount. But in any case, I attempted to sim a cruiser.

001 Class, New World Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   8,700 t light; 9,147 t standard; 10,000 t normal; 10,682 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (480.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 52.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.30 ft)
   (146.30 m / 146.30 m) x 15.85 m  x (7.01 / 7.41 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.00" / 229 mm 50.0 cal guns - 385.87lbs / 175.03kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 66.16lbs / 30.01kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.55lbs / 0.25kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,115 lbs / 1,413 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.00" / 178 mm   381.00 ft / 116.13 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm     99.00 ft / 30.18 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 122 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   9.17" / 233 mm   3.50" / 89 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   2.00" / 51 mm   1.00" / 25 mm      1.00" / 25 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 18,231 ihp / 13,600 Kw = 21.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,535 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   499 - 650

Cost:
   £1.029 million / $4.115 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 923 tons, 9.2 %
      - Guns: 923 tons, 9.2 %
   Armour: 2,636 tons, 26.4 %
      - Belts: 1,494 tons, 14.9 %
      - Armament: 385 tons, 3.9 %
      - Armour Deck: 687 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 70 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,849 tons, 28.5 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,293 tons, 22.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,300 tons, 13.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     5,547 lbs / 2,516 Kg = 15.2 x 9.0 " / 229 mm shells or 1.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.69
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 44 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 122.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,421 Square feet or 1,711 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 87 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 101 lbs/sq ft or 491 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.01
      - Longitudinal: 0.99
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

[Logi]

Still confused but in any case... increased the caliber of the main battery to par with heavy cruisers. Reduced speed by a knot to gain better armor on belt and turret.

001 Class, New World Armored Cruiser laid down 1900

Displacement:
   8,653 t light; 9,147 t standard; 10,000 t normal; 10,682 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (480.00 ft / 480.00 ft) x 52.00 ft x (23.00 / 24.30 ft)
   (146.30 m / 146.30 m) x 15.85 m  x (7.01 / 7.41 m)

Armament:
      6 - 9.84" / 250 mm 50.0 cal guns - 504.32lbs / 228.75kg shells, 120 per gun
     Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     3 x 2-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority aft
      12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 50.0 cal guns - 66.16lbs / 30.01kg shells, 200 per gun
     Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1900 Model
     6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 - 1.00" / 25.4 mm 60.0 cal guns - 0.55lbs / 0.25kg shells, 1,500 per gun
     Machine guns in deck mounts, 1900 Model
     10 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
      10 raised mounts
      Weight of broadside 3,825 lbs / 1,735 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   8.00" / 203 mm   354.00 ft / 107.90 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
   Ends:   2.00" / 51 mm   126.00 ft / 38.40 m   13.00 ft / 3.96 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   3.50" / 89 mm      5.00" / 127 mm
   2nd:   3.00" / 76 mm   1.50" / 38 mm      1.50" / 38 mm
   3rd:   0.50" / 13 mm         -               -

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 2.00" / 51 mm
   Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm  Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 7.00" / 178 mm, Aft 0.00" / 0 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 3 shafts, 15,177 ihp / 11,322 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,535 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   499 - 650

Cost:
   £1.034 million / $4.136 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,139 tons, 11.4 %
      - Guns: 1,139 tons, 11.4 %
   Armour: 2,840 tons, 28.4 %
      - Belts: 1,624 tons, 16.2 %
      - Armament: 458 tons, 4.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 687 tons, 6.9 %
      - Conning Tower: 70 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 2,371 tons, 23.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,303 tons, 23.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,347 tons, 13.5 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     6,267 lbs / 2,843 Kg = 13.2 x 9.8 " / 250 mm shells or 1.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.88
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a cruiser stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.610 / 0.617
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.23 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.91 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 42 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   25.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Forward deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Aft deck:   30.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Quarter deck:   15.00 %,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m,  11.00 ft / 3.35 m
      - Average freeboard:      11.00 ft / 3.35 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 77.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,426 Square feet or 1,712 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 106 lbs/sq ft or 515 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.01
      - Overall: 1.00
   Cramped machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room

[Jefgte]

You have a very low freeboard- 11ft - 3.35m...


Jef

[Logi]

It was a trade-off to get +0.1-0.2 composite strength. I'll see if I can increase it without sacrificing too much though - any other comments?

[Jefgte]

Have a low freeboard decrease the survibality.
As I can see, your AC survivability is equal to a CL
My EC 6000t Delome is 3808kg...

Jef