France Budget

Jefgte · October 21, 2011, 05:55:13 AM

Navy budget is 495$
Note also that other 50% of the total budget are for Army (board to come)

MARINE NATIONALE
Displacement	Number	Status	Upkeep	Total Tonage	Building Cost
9900t	2	a	$0.97	19400	9.9
2000	8	a	$0.80	16000	9.7
700	8	a	$0.28	5600	8
4500	4	a	$0.90	18000	2.8
4500	4	a	$0.90	18000	9
2000	10	a	$1.00	20000	9
5700	4	a	$1.14	22800	10
700	8	a	$0.28	5600	9
1871 WAR	0	a	$0.00	0	0
1872 WAR	0	a	$0.00	0	0
8000	4	a	$1.60	32000	32
6000	4	a	$1.20	24000	24
2000	10	a	$1.00	20000	13.5
9700	4	a	$1.94	38800	16.5
5000	4	a	$1.00	20000	30
4000	4	a	$0.80	16000	20
4000	4	a	$0.80	16000	32
80	8	a	$0.03	640	0.64
	88	Total	$13.67	292840	236.04
BASES
Base Location	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
Dunkerque	20 000	$0.40	4
Cherbourg	40 000	$0.80	8
Brest	150 000	$3.00	30
Nantes	30 000	$0.60	6
Rochefort	30 000	$0.60	6
Bordeaux	30 000	$0.60	6
Port Vendres	20 000	$0.40	4
Marseilles	30 000	$0.60	6
Toulon	150 000	$3.00	30
Total	500 000	$10.00	100
SHIPYARDS
Drydock Size	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.50	18	Brest
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.50	18	Brest
SW120x25	15 000	$1.50	2.2	Lorient
SW120x25	15 000	$1.50	2.2	St Nazaire
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.50	18	La Seyne
SW120x25	15 000	$1.50	2.2	La Seyne
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$1.20	11.22	Lorient
SW100x20	12 000	$1.20	2	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$1.20	2	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$1.20	2	Bordeaux
SW100x20	12 000	$1.20	2	La Seyne
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.80	5.18	Cherbourg
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.80	5.18	Brest
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.80	5.18	Lorient
SW80x18	8 000	$0.80	1.6	St Nazaire
SW80x18	8 000	$0.80	1.6	Rochefort
SW80x18	8 000	$0.80	1.6	Bordeaux
SW80x18	8 000	$0.80	1.6	La Seyne
SW80x18	8 000	$0.80	1.6	La Ciota
DD60x15x5	6 000	$0.60	2.7	Cherbourg
SW60x15	6 000	$0.60	1.2	Brest
SW60x15	6 000	$0.60	1.2	La Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.60	1.2	Le Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.60	1.2	La Ciota
SW60x15	6 000	$0.60	1.2	La Ciota
	Total	$23.50	112.06


Fleet Cost	236.04
Fleet Upkeep	13.67
Bases Cost	100
Bases Upkeep	10
Shipyards Cost	112.06
Shipyards Upkeep	23.5
Navy TOTAL	495.27

Darman · October 21, 2011, 07:04:10 AM

I thought Slipways had no upkeep and that Drydocks had upkeep of 2%.

Jefgte · October 21, 2011, 08:46:33 AM

SHIPYARDS
Drydock Size	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
DD120x25x10	15 000	$0.36	18	Brest
DD120x25x10	15 000	$0.36	18	Brest
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	2.2	Lorient
DD120x25x10	15 000	$0.36	18	La Seyne
DD120x25x10	15 000	$0.36	18	La Seyne
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	2.2	La Seyne
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$0.23	11.22	Cherbourg
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$0.23	11.22	Lorient
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	2	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	2	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	2	Bordeaux
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.11	5.18	Brest
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.11	5.18	La Seyne
SW80x18x6	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Cherbourg
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.11	5.18	Lorient
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Rochefort
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Bordeaux
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	La Seyne
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	La Ciota
DD60x15x5	6 000	$0.05	2.7	Cherbourg
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	Brest
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	Le Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Ciota
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Ciota
	Total	$2.27	137.08


Fleet Building cost	236.04
Fleet upkeep	13.67
Bases cost	100
Bases upkeep	10
Shipyards cost	137.08
Shipyards upkeep	2.27
Navy TOTAL	499.06

snip · October 21, 2011, 09:03:38 AM

Quote from: Darman on October 21, 2011, 07:04:10 AM
I thought Slipways had no upkeep and that Drydocks had upkeep of 2%.

AFAIK, you are correct on slipways, but I thought that Drydocks were 10% (a ridiculously high amount if I do say so myself.)

Darman · October 21, 2011, 10:42:49 AM

Quote from: snip on October 21, 2011, 09:03:38 AM
Quote from: Darman on October 21, 2011, 07:04:10 AM
I thought Slipways had no upkeep and that Drydocks had upkeep of 2%.

AFAIK, you are correct on slipways, but I thought that Drydocks were 10% (a ridiculously high amount if I do say so myself.)

The rules mention port capacity upkeep being 10% of costs, but says all other base maintenance is 2%, and goes on to say the ratios for ships: 10/5/1 (I did my report based on 2%, oops)
So I figured Drydocks was 2%.

Jefgte · October 21, 2011, 04:40:47 PM

from Mike report

Quote...Naval Spending

500,000 tons of naval support N$100 / N$10
120 m / 394' slipway x2 N$5.76 (2.88) / N$0
95 m / 312' slipway x6 N$8.57 (1.43) / N$0
120 x 24 x 9 Dry Dock x2 N$31.104 (15.552) / N$3.1104
95 x 19 x 8 Dry Dock x10 N$86.64 (8.664) / N$8.664
120,000 tons of Warships 1860-69 (reserve status)(0.5 multiplier) N$60 (120) / N$1.2
120,000 tons of Warships 1870-74 (active status)(0.75 multiplier) N$90 (120) / N$6
120,000 tons of Warships 1875-79 (mobilized status)(1.0 multiplier) N$120 (120) / N$12

...

DD upkeep is 10%

Jefgte · October 24, 2011, 02:44:24 AM

Update with Dd upkeep = 10%
I reduce bases from 500 000t to 480 000t & delete some SW.
No modifs on the fleet.
New total is 498.82$ ...1.18$ are free for fine adjustements.

BASES
Base Location	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
Dunkerque	20 000	$0.40	4
Cherbourg	40 000	$0.80	8
Brest	150 000	$3.00	30
Nantes	20 000	$0.40	4
Rochefort	20 000	$0.40	4
Bordeaux	30 000	$0.60	6
Port Vendres	20 000	$0.40	4
Marseilles	30 000	$0.60	6
Toulon	150 000	$3.00	30
Total	480 000	$9.60	96
SHIPYARDS
Drydock Size	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	18	Brest
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	18	Brest
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	2.2	Lorient
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	18	La Seyne
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	18	La Seyne
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	2.2	La Seyne
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$1.10	11.22	Cherbourg
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$1.10	11.22	Lorient
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	2	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	2	St Nazaire
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	5.18	Brest
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	5.18	La Seyne
SW80x18x6	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Cherbourg
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	5.18	Lorient
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Rochefort
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	Bordeaux
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	1.6	La Ciota
DD60x15x5	6 000	$0.27	2.7	Cherbourg
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	Le Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Ciota
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	1.2	La Ciota
	Total	$11.23	132.28


Fleet Building cost	236.04
Fleet upkeep	13.67
Bases cost	96
Bases upkeep	9.6
Shipyards cost	132.28
Shipyards upkeep	11.23
Navy TOTAL	498.82

ledeper · October 24, 2011, 12:53:45 PM

Me don't understand:I Thought France was a NPC country like my first option Russia,but anyway who cares,as this game is turning more and more towards a sort of OTL naval RISK anno 1880??????????????

Darman · October 24, 2011, 01:10:02 PM

You are right, my apologies, Drydock maintenance is 10%. It says so at the bottom of that section rather than under the heading "Drydocks" which is why I was perplexed.

Jefgte · October 25, 2011, 06:29:07 AM

Last update

MARINE NATIONALE
		1000=1$			a=0.05$	r=0.01$
LD	Class	disp	Quantity	tot disp	cost	status	upkeep
1862	Rochambeau	9900	2	19800	$9.90	a	$0.45
1863	Audacieux	2000	8	16000	$8.00	a	$0.40
1864	P1	700	8	5600	$2.80	a	$0.14
1865	Terrible	4500	3	13500	$6.75	a	$0.34
1866	Terrible	4500	3	13500	$6.75	a	$0.34
1867	Furieux	2000	10	20000	$10.00	a	$0.50
1868	Taureau	5700	4	22800	$11.40	a	$0.57
1869	P1	700	8	5600	$2.80	a	$0.14
1870	N				$0.00	0
1871	N				$0.00	0
1872	Infatigable	8000t	4	32000	$24.00	a	$1.20
1873	Vengeur	6000	6	36000	$27.00	a	$1.35
1874	Desaix	2000	16	32000	$24.00	a	$1.20
1875	Austerlitz	9700	4	38800	$38.80	a	$1.94
1876	Tigre	5000	4	20000	$20.00	a	$1.00
1877	Alma	4000	4	16000	$16.00	a	$0.80
1878	Alma	4000	4	16000	$16.00	a	$0.80
1879	T1	80	8	640	$0.92	a	$0.03
			96	308240t	$225.12		$11.20
BASES
Base Location	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
Dunkerque	20 000	$0.40	4
Cherbourg	40 000	$0.80	8
Brest	150 000	$3.00	30
Nantes	30 000	$0.60	6
Rochefort	30 000	$0.60	6
Bordeaux	30 000	$0.60	6
Port Vendres	20 000	$0.40	4
Marseilles	30 000	$0.60	6
Toulon	150 000	$3.00	30
Total	500 000	$10.00	100
SHIPYARDS
Drydock Size	Supported Tonnage	Upkeep	cost
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	$18.00	Brest
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	$18.00	Brest
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	$2.20	Lorient
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	$2.20	Lorient
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	$18.00	La Seyne
DD120x25x10	15 000	$1.80	$18.00	La Seyne
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	$2.20	Marseilles
SW120x25	15 000	$0.00	$2.20	La Seyne
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$1.10	$11.22	Cherbourg
DD100x22x8.5	12 000	$1.10	$11.22	Lorient
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	$2.00	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	$2.00	St Nazaire
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	$2.00	La Seyne
SW100x20	12 000	$0.00	$2.00	Marseilles
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	$5.18	Brest
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	$5.18	Bordeaux
DD80x18x6	8 000	$0.52	$5.18	Brest
SW80x18x6	8 000	$0.00	$1.60	Cherbourg
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	$1.60	Rochefort
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	$1.60	Bordeaux
SW80x18	8 000	$0.00	$1.60	La Ciota
DD60x15x5	6 000	$0.27	$2.70	Cherbourg
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	$1.20	La Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	$1.20	Le Havre
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	$1.20	La Ciota
SW60x15	6 000	$0.00	$1.20	Port Vendre
	Total	$11.23	$140.68


Fleet Building cost	$225.12
Fleet upkeep	$11.20
Bases cost	$100.00
Bases upkeep	$10.00
Shipyards cost	$140.68
Shipyards upkeep	$11.23
Navy TOTAL	$498.23

Jefgte · October 26, 2011, 06:04:36 AM

	Army Expenditures

Country: France	Unit Type: Corps	Number	Upkeep cost
	Infantry: Regular	22	$198.00
	Infantry: Conscript	20	$80.00
	Infantry: Reserve	20	$20.00
	Cavalry: Regular	5	$45.00
	Cavalry: Conscript	4	$16.00
	Cavalry: Reserve	4	$4.00
	Depo Brig: Regular	10	$36.00
	Depo Brig: Conscript	10	$16.00
	Depo Brig: Reserve	10	$4.00
	Engi Birg: Regular	4	$14.40
	Engi Birg: Conscript	4	$6.40
	Engi Birg: Reserve	4	$1.60
	Constables: Regular	3	$1.20
	Constables: Conscript	3	$1.20
	Siege Arty: Regular	6	$2.40
	Siege Arty: Conscript	6	$0.60
	Forts: Active Citadels	106	$47.70
	Forts: Reserve Citadels	0	$0.00
		Total upkeep	$494.50

Citadels Informations

Forts	Citadels	Year	Manpower	Cost
Belgium	30	1860	75000	13.5
Germany	30	1880	75000	13.5
Italy	8	1860	20000	3.6
Spain	8	1860	20000	3.6
Coast	30	1860	75000	13.5
	0	1860	0	0
Total	106		265000	47.7

A few $ are free for Army river gunboats

Nobody · October 26, 2011, 07:11:45 AM

Wait a moment Jefgte. That are more than 75 corps, plus the citadels. Meaning around 4 million men. How big was out population again, and what was the % limit of the population that can be soldiers? Not to mention that if you list indeed upkeep, that would 5 times your actual annual budget.

Oh and you can't build 1880 Citadels before the start.

Jefgte · October 26, 2011, 07:50:51 AM

4 millions...that's a reading mistake 8) 8) 8)

Military budget is 1000$

500$ for the Fleet & 500$ for Army.
...So, the balance is not correct

Jef

Jefgte · October 26, 2011, 07:56:05 AM

Army budget wit 905 000 men

	Army Expenditures

Country: France	Unit Type: Corps	Number	Upkeep cost
	Infantry: Regular	3	$27.00
	Infantry: Conscript	3	$12.00
	Infantry: Reserve	3	$3.00
	Cavalry: Regular	2	$18.00
	Cavalry: Conscript	2	$8.00
	Cavalry: Reserve	2	$2.00
	Depo Brig: Regular	2	$7.20
	Depo Brig: Conscript	2	$3.20
	Depo Brig: Reserve	2	$0.80
	Engi Birg: Regular	2	$7.20
	Engi Birg: Conscript	2	$3.20
	Engi Birg: Reserve	2	$0.80
	Constables: Regular	2	$0.80
	Constables: Conscript	2	$0.80
	Siege Arty: Regular	2	$0.80
	Siege Arty: Conscript	2	$0.20
	Forts: Active Citadels	106	$47.70
	Forts: Reserve Citadels	0	$0.00
		Total upkeep	$142.70

Walter · October 26, 2011, 09:29:20 AM

Okay, I get it. With that upkeep, I know what France will be doing in the next few years... :D

... but unfortunately that trick isn't going to work.

Also...

15 Corps * $20 = $300
6 Depots * $8 = $48
6 Engineers * $8 = $48
4 constables * $2 = $8
4 Siege Arty * $2 = $8
106 citadels * $1 = $106
Total = $518

You indicated that the Navy costs $498.23 so your total expenditure is $1016.23

Whoops! I guess you need to do a little more trimming. :)