Test Budgets

[Darman]

Maybe I'm blind aybe I'm not but I haven't seen anybody's test budgets being posted.  Unfortunately I did mine out by hand, finished yesterday and promptly misplaced the papers.  So now I'm gonna do my budget over again this weekend.  Until then I figured I'd encourage people to submit theirs even if its only a partial draft or one they want to revise. 
On an unrelated note my computer being out of commission I cannot use SS3, but in order to finalize my budget I need to sim my navy,but until I get mine fixed or  new one I'm hoping its okay if I guesstimate rough tonnages for each type of ship. 

Post Away!

[Korpen]

Maybe I'm blind aybe I'm not but I haven't seen anybody's test budgets being posted.  Unfortunately I did mine out by hand, finished yesterday and promptly misplaced the papers.  So now I'm gonna do my budget over again this weekend.  Until then I figured I'd encourage people to submit theirs even if its only a partial draft or one they want to revise. 

Valles and my first can be found in the "spending spree"-thread.

On an unrelated note my computer being out of commission I cannot use SS3, but in order to finalize my budget I need to sim my navy,but until I get mine fixed or  new one I'm hoping its okay if I guesstimate rough tonnages for each type of ship. 

Post Away!

Strictly speaking you do not need SS at all in the budget, all you really need is to make up your mind on how much tonnage your fleet will be. This is more then accurate for any test budget, and most likely the final one as well.

[Nobody]

To be honest I haven't even started on mine yet. I am, however, almost finished with my "ultimate"* spreadsheet. Which I find kind of surprising considering the number of "holes" still present in the rules.

I'm hoping to start on the actual budget this weekend and have it ready by the next.



*)meaning it automates everything I could think of or realize, some stuff just doesn't work in excel unfortunately

[Walter]

Strictly speaking you do not need SS at all in the budget, all you really need is to make up your mind on how much tonnage your fleet will be. This is more then accurate for any test budget, and most likely the final one as well.

I would think that you still need to know exactly how many ships you have, where they are stationed, what the normal displacement is of the biggest ship stationed at a base, how many ships are stationed at a base. It's probably not necessary to have the sims, but I think it is good to have the sims to work those things out. Besides, at one point you are going to need the sims anyway. I will admit that when it comes to docks, so far I have only looked at the sizes displacement-wise.

I have a number of small ship classes to sim (the big ones are done), but at one point I found out that I have this big Canal running from Beijing into Wu territory to the south, so it is good to have a few additional sims of small river crafts as well. I need to juggle a bit with things in order to keep everything within budget and I'm not 100% sure what I need when it comes to slips and how many I need...

... and I was kinda hoping to see a few more examples so I know I am doing things right. :)

[Korpen]

Strictly speaking you do not need SS at all in the budget, all you really need is to make up your mind on how much tonnage your fleet will be. This is more then accurate for any test budget, and most likely the final one as well.

I would think that you still need to know exactly how many ships you have, where they are stationed, what the normal displacement is of the biggest ship stationed at a base, how many ships are stationed at a base. It's probably not necessary to have the sims, but I think it is good to have the sims to work those things out. Besides, at one point you are going to need the sims anyway. I will admit that when it comes to docks, so far I have only looked at the sizes displacement-wise.

Sooner or later, yes the sims will be needed.
But you can do almost all those things as long as one have the general idea in ones head about how one want things. Fine tuning can be done later, when more startups are out.

I have a number of small ship classes to sim (the big ones are done), but at one point I found out that I have this big Canal running from Beijing into Wu territory to the south, so it is good to have a few additional sims of small river crafts as well. I need to juggle a bit with things in order to keep everything within budget and I'm not 100% sure what I need when it comes to slips and how many I need...

So do what everyone will do and guess! Perfection of the startup can come later.

... and I was kinda hoping to see a few more examples so I know I am doing things right. :)

If everyone does that we will get nowhere...
I think we need as many preliminary country reports as possible, ASAP. This will allow us to fine-tune stuff,  find bugs, as well as give more guideline to neighbours as to what levels of investment is needed.
So go ahead, guesstimate the final details of you startup and post it. It is not like it will be set in stone.

[snip]

Mine has been done for a bit, with some tinkering here and there. Will get it posted as soon as I can; work, classes, swimming, and a social thing all are on the docket first, but I may be able to get it done in between things.

[Darman]

Army:                                              Cost         Upkeep
31 reserve fortress citadels............... 31.00....... 1.55
20 mobilized fortress citadels............ 20.00....... 10.35
3 regular infantry divisions................ 30.00........13.50
9 conscript infantry divisions............. 90.00........ 18.00
4 reserve infantry divisions................ 40.00........ 2.00
2 regular cavalry divisions.................. 20.00........ 9.00
2 regular siege batteries.................... 4.00.......... 0.80
3 conscript constable brigades........... 6.00.......... 0.30
2 conscript depot brigades................ 16.00........ 3.20
2 conscript engineer brigades............ 16.00........ 3.20
ARMY SUBTOTAL............................. 273.00....... 60.55

Navy:                                                Cost           Upkeep
3 Drydock 70mx18mx10m................. 22.68.......... 2.27
2 Drydock 100mx20mx12m............... 28.80.......... 2.88
3 Drydock 95mx18mx10m................. 30.78.......... 3.08
10 Drydock 50mx8mx3m................... 7.20............ 0.72
55,000t support NS Newport............. 11.00........... 1.10
25,000t support NS Providence.......... 5.00............. 0.50
20,000t support NS Halifax................ 4.00............. 0.40
20,000t support NS Boston............... 4.00............. 0.40
40,000t support NS New York City...... 8.00............ 0.80
20,000t support NS Great Lakes......... 4.00............ 0.40
15,000t support NS Portland, ME........ 3.00............ 0.30
15,000t support NS Portsmouth, NH... 3.00............ 0.30
20,000t support NS Philadelphia.......... 4.00............ 0.40
25,000t support Unallocated Cities...... 5.00............. 0.50
2 mobilized monitors (2,000t each)...... 4.00............ 0.40
5 active monitors (2,000t each)........... 10.00.......... 0.50
25 active gunboats (1,000t each)........ 25.00.......... 1.25
5 mobilized Protectors (5,000t each).... 25.00.......... 2.50
5 active Protectors (5,000t each)......... 25.00.......... 1.25
5 mobilized Raiders (3,000t each)........ 15.00.......... 1.50
5 active Raiders (3,000t each)............. 15.00.......... 0.75
10 reserve Frigates (2,500t each)........ 25,000......... 0.50
2 reserve citadel battleships (7,000t)... 14.00........... 0.28
1 reserve broadside battleship (9,000t) 9.00............. 0.18
5 mobilized colliers (1,000t each)......... 5.00............. 0.50
14 active river boats (500t each)......... 7.00............. 0.14
NAVY SUBTOTAL.............................. 319.05........... 23.80

Research Institutions (3 with upkeep of $5 each)........15.00

Army Subtotal.................................... 273.00......... 60.55
Navy Subtotal..................................... 319.05......... 23.80
Research Institutions............................. 0.00........... 15.00
                                        TOTAL....... 592.05......... 99.35
                                        Surplus...... 407.95......... 0.65

Anything I forget?  Other than slipways which will be coming soon.  And also since I have no designs for my warships I don't know when they will have been laid down and thus the penalties I have to pay for their construction costs and whatnot.  As things are now I think I have enough startup cash left over to buy slipways and pay construction penalties....

[Carthaginian]

Has been a good and bad couple of weeks- but lots of things have held me back.
Starting a new job - GOOD.
Now diagnosed with migraines - BAD.
Spending more time with Dad - GOOD.
Because he has skin cancer - BAD.

So... yeah... lots of work to do- but when things get stable towards the weekend, I should be able to do something- especially if the place I'm quitting pisses me off enough that i don't finish my two weeks notice.

[snip]

Hey, life happens. hope things end up getting better soon

[Korpen]

Navy:                                                Cost           Upkeep
3 Drydock 70mx18mx10m................. 22.68.......... 2.27
2 Drydock 100mx20mx12m............... 28.80.......... 2.88
3 Drydock 95mx18mx10m................. 30.78.......... 3.08
10 Drydock 50mx8mx3m................... 7.20............ 0.72

Are those docks not quite limiting? With a max length of 100m it will basically be impossible to build any over twenty knots ships until the docks are expanded. Also, you have made them excessively deep; you can easily cut 2m from each of them without it affecting their actual usefulness. The smallest ones are covered by the "free" docking for sub 1000 ton ships, so there is ever any need for drydocks of less then 1000 ton.

And also since I have no designs for my warships I don't know when they will have been laid down and thus the penalties I have to pay for their construction costs and whatnot.  As things are now I think I have enough startup cash left over to buy slipways and pay construction penalties....

What penalties? The only thing that matters is if they are built prior to 1875 or prior to 1870, in which case there are discounts.

[snip]

really going to love to try and watch people break 20knts in capital units with simple reciprocating engines. That just will not happen until VTEs come around and mature a bit more.

[Korpen]

really going to love to try and watch people break 20knts in capital units with simple reciprocating engines. That just will not happen until VTEs come around and mature a bit more.

Guess that depends allot on what you call "capital" –units. After 1880 cruisers start to have speeds in that region (and lengths around 100m), so neither VTE nor much better engines are needed to push ships over 20kts.

[Carthaginian]

While it is rare for Korpen and I to see eye-to-eye, I have to admit that 20 knots is well within the realms of possibilityfor a cruiser in the 1880's... though I will add the qualifier that such ships would be rather delicate and largely engine rooms and magazines. That means that their speed damn well better be sufficient to outrun all threats, lest a few lucky hits sink the ship.

[Darman]

For the drydock sizes I honestly just flipped through a book I have that has a collection of warships (mainly battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers, destroyers, escorts nd aircraft carriers) from 1860 (Warrior and Passaic-clss monitors) through modern day so I simply went through writing down lengths, beams, and drafts along with rough tonnages and so I ended up picking wht I thought was a decent range of sizes.  Oh well maybe I'll go back and revise that part.  Only problem is that I don't have a lot of excess upkeep capacity. 

[ctwaterman]

That is totaly acceptible for the first draft or so and until everyone has time [Lives permitting] to catch up.

I play to have a bunch of ships from the 1860 till 1870 period... single screw armored frigates with lots of sail. 
Then a few 1870 thru 1875 Armored Costal Battle Ships and some more modern frigate from above.
Finally from 1875 thru 1880 a series of battle ships.
Along with a sizeable force of Rivertine Gunboats for the Mississippi, Missouri, Tennessee, and Ohio rivers....

Charles