Not the same sort of gun...

Tanthalas · September 29, 2011, 03:08:29 AM

I intend to use Various lever actions untill around 1906. I will however switch from the 44-40 as a Rifle Cart for the 1896 tech proly, go with somthing like the 300 Savage in a lever action magazine fed rifle.

Carthaginian · September 29, 2011, 10:20:57 AM

Quote from: Desertfox on September 29, 2011, 02:23:03 AM
Except the lever actions are probably more accurate and probably have a faster RoF. Mexico will be using a mix of Winchesters and single shot bolt-actions until the Mondragon enters service.

Loading a revolving rifle and a lever action will be very similar, DF. It takes a fair bit of time to roll that rifle over, feed the rounds into the loading gate, and then to regain your sight picture.

The lever actions and revolving rifles and bolt actions will pretty much be even in performance in the long run- like a day-long battle such as our system will be focusing on.

ctwaterman · September 29, 2011, 09:02:09 PM

Hey I agree Totaly that the stories make excellent fluff pieces. Im not sure I want to be using a revolver with some of the heavy rifle rounds used for the Military but heck if you make the cylinder heavy enough it shouldnt blow up in your face.

Over all, these are nice FLAVOR pieces and I enjoy reading them.

Charles

Valles · September 29, 2011, 10:50:32 PM

I imagine that bursting and flash from the seal were problems when the weapon was first introduced into full production, yes.

On the other hand, 1880 will represent five years of tinkering and improvement. If the issues are at all solvable - and the fact that things like this are stupid for usage reasons rather than technical ones argues that they are - I think they'll've been ironed out by that point.

Hmm. I think I may've made an oops anyway, though. Only one of the revolvers firing rounds this big has even six shots, let alone seven. Even allowing for the fact that the cylinder is meant to be larger in diameter to allow that in the first place...

ctwaterman · September 30, 2011, 03:22:14 AM

Yea I think the weatherby .454 which can also fire the .44-40 round or a .410 guage shotgun shell only has 5 rounds.

I think the technical issue will find is that you had problems with the Cylinders and blow back until you started using a better quality of STEEL instead of low grade steel. The Bessemer process in the 1880's will make mass production of good quality steel possible.

Korpen · September 30, 2011, 04:07:52 AM

Quote from: ctwaterman on September 30, 2011, 03:22:14 AM
I think the technical issue will find is that you had problems with the Cylinders and blow back until you started using a better quality of STEEL instead of low grade steel. The Bessemer process in the 1880's will make mass production of good quality steel possible.

Not, quite.
The Bessemer process is quite mature in 1880 (having been in commercial service for over 20 years) , but unlikley to be used for really high-quality stuff as its speed could create quality-control issues.
The Siemens-Martin (open heath) process would most likely be used when one want time to control the steel more closely.

Carthaginian · September 30, 2011, 08:32:06 AM

Charles:

You mean the .454 Casull?
I've ever heard of a Weatherby round of that size... except the .460 Weatherby, and that is a long rifle round.

ctwaterman · October 01, 2011, 09:41:59 AM

Could be I am vaguely remembering a .454 chambered handgun that can fire all the rounds I mentioned.

Hmmm I trying to remember a .460 Weatherby Nitro... the Side by Side Elephant gun.... its good for troops and light armored vehicles...