Mutant Monitor-Thing

[Ithekro]

The Confederate turret ships would be the British built HMS Wivern and HMS Scorpion
CSS Stonewall had a turret.  It was French built.  Her sister ship SMS Prinz Adalbert had one as well.
Denmark was had no turrets, but was British built.

[Desertfox]

Like you said "Victors write history" and in this case Texas won...

That said Santa Anna was particularly brutal, heck I don't like the guy. But during this time period, it was normal to do such sort of stuff. Had the signers of the Declaration of Independence been caught they would have hung as traitors, and most of the members of the Saint Patrick's Battalion where executed by the US military despite fighting in the uniform of the Mexican Army.

[TexanCowboy]

BTW, what is "La Raza"? Some people in Tahoe were trying to get me to donate to "free Texas and southwest America from Anglo oppression"

[Valles]

The Scorpion class are the ships I was thinking of, thanks, Ithekro.

The only reference my brain returns for 'La Raza' is a Journey song, sorry.

[Tanthalas]

The Scorpion class are the ships I was thinking of, thanks, Ithekro.

I simed them actualy, I was considering building a few as "Cruisers"

[Valles]

1st Rate (Light), Japan Warship laid down 1870
Barbette ship

Displacement:
   3,500 t light; 3,690 t standard; 3,986 t normal; 4,223 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
   (254.49 ft / 248.52 ft) x 44.75 ft x (19.88 / 20.89 ft)
   (77.57 m / 75.75 m) x 13.64 m  x (6.06 / 6.37 m)

Armament:
      3 - 11.93" / 303 mm 20.0 cal guns - 661.39lbs / 300.00kg shells, 100 per gun
     Breech loading guns in open barbette mounts, 1870 Model
     2 x Single mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread
     1 x Single mount on centreline, aft deck forward
      Weight of broadside 1,984 lbs / 900 kg

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.9" / 303 mm   149.11 ft / 45.45 m   8.04 ft / 2.45 m
   Ends:   1.77" / 45 mm     99.38 ft / 30.29 m   8.04 ft / 2.45 m
     Main Belt covers 92 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:         -            -         11.9" / 303 mm

   - Armoured deck - single deck:
   For and Aft decks: 1.18" / 30 mm
   Forecastle: 1.18" / 30 mm  Quarter deck: 1.18" / 30 mm

   - Conning towers: Forward 11.93" / 303 mm, Aft 11.93" / 303 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,003 ihp / 1,494 Kw = 12.21 kts
   Range 1,500nm at 10.07 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 533 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   250 - 326

Cost:
   £0.247 million / $0.987 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 180 tons, 4.5 %
      - Guns: 180 tons, 4.5 %
   Armour: 1,400 tons, 35.1 %
      - Belts: 707 tons, 17.7 %
      - Armament: 383 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 181 tons, 4.5 %
      - Conning Towers: 129 tons, 3.2 %
   Machinery: 491 tons, 12.3 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,356 tons, 34.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 486 tons, 12.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 74 tons, 1.9 %
      - Hull below water: 37 tons
      - Above deck: 37 tons

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     4,454 lbs / 2,020 Kg = 7.5 x 11.9 " / 303 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.30
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 12.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.55
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.65

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck,
     a normal bow and a round stern
   Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.631 / 0.636
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.55 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 15.76 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 43
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 16.70 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.98 ft / 0.91 m
   Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
            Fore end,    Aft end
      - Forecastle:   20.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Forward deck:   25.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Aft deck:   35.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Quarter deck:   20.00 %,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m,  9.94 ft / 3.03 m
      - Average freeboard:      9.94 ft / 3.03 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 56.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 62.3 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,230 Square feet or 765 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 134 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 115 lbs/sq ft or 562 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.90
      - Overall: 1.00
   Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
   Cramped accommodation and workspace room
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

37 tons extra weights
37 tons junk rig

Wrought-iron armor

[The Bushranger]

BTW, what is "La Raza"? Some people in Tahoe were trying to get me to donate to "free Texas and southwest America from Anglo oppression"

"La Raza" = "The Race". They claim the southwestern U.S. was "settled by the Mexicans first and stolen" and advocate ethnic cleansing of Anglos from it. >_>


Cool ship. ^_^

[Carthaginian]

CSS Stonewall had a turret. 

Eh... I think it had a bow casemate that could fire as a chaser or into either broadside- but the Conway's entry does not show a true 'turret.'

[Ithekro]

What about in the back?  It looks like a turret, but I don't think it is powered...could be a round gunhouse? ( the holes seem to be in odd places).  It is called a turret, but not an Ericsson/Cole style turret.  More like a castle turret...though I wonder why they holes don't face broadside.


"La Raza" fails to remember that:
A) They asked for people to come settle Texas.
B) Texas fought a revolution against them and won. 
C)  The Americans won the Mexican War 12 years later. 
D) Even though the Americans won that war, they still paid Mexico for the land.   (18 million US dollars and the forgivenesss any debt the Mexican goverment had to any U.S. Citizens.)
E) The southern most part of New Mexico and Arizona was purchased from the Mexican governement with no war for 10 milliion US dollars. (for the railroad)
F) Roughly 1% of the Mexican population was in the land the American took from them (which they took from Spain, who took it from the natives).
G) The discovery of gold in California right after the war was a fluke.  Had it happened earlier, the asking price would have gone up and the Mexicans (or Spanish even) would have defended it much more than they did historically.  Had it happened later, the extra drive west would have been delayed, perhaps reducing the increasing number of states by a bit and stalling the beginning of the Civil War even more (it could have started in 1850 when California became a state if cooler heads had not stopped it...and if the President hadn't died).
H) Had the Americans not had such a large problem with the idea of Catholics in their Protestant country (or more likely the idea of Indian "mix breed"/non-white people becoming US citzens) they might have just annexed the entire country of Mexico in 1848.

[Carthaginian]

What about in the back?  It looks like a turret, but I don't think it is powered...could be a round gunhouse? (is so the hole seem to be in odd places).

Just an armored broadside gun battery... nothing as fancy as a turret.
Stonewall though powerful, was a really crappy ship made too tall of freeboard and too shallow of draft.
She was a very bad seaboat, and not exactly what any navy would want unless they intended her to operate on a large river.

[Ithekro]

The Japanese seemed to like it...though probably because it was powerful and no other reason.