Messing around meself a bit...

Started by Walter, June 20, 2011, 09:59:40 AM

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Walter

... with a few 19th century oldies. :)
(not sure if I translated "warrior" and "Black Prince" correctly into Chinese)



Zhan Shi, Armored ship laid down 1859
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Ships: 2. Zhan Shi, Hei Wang Zi

Displacement:
   7,675 t light; 8,040 t standard; 9,306 t normal; 10,318 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   399.82 ft / 390.00 ft x 58.40 ft x 26.00 ft (normal load)
   121.87 m / 118.87 m x 17.80 m  x 7.92 m

Armament:
     28 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 112.00lbs / 50.80kg shells, 1868 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     20 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
     4 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 175.00lbs / 79.38kg shells, 1868 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
     4 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
     4 - 3.75" / 95.3 mm guns in single mounts, 20.00lbs / 9.07kg shells, 1868 Model
     Breech loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 3,916 lbs / 1,776 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.50" / 114 mm   255.30 ft / 77.82 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   1.68" / 43 mm   255.30 ft / 77.82 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     Main Belt covers 101% of normal length

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 4,908 ihp / 3,661 Kw = 13.60 kts
   Range 1,420nm at 12.50 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,278 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   473 - 615

Cost:
   £0.914 million / $3.656 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 497 tons, 5.3%
   Armour: 1,503 tons, 16.2%
      - Belts: 1,503 tons, 16.2%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
   Machinery: 1,629 tons, 17.5%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,672 tons, 39.5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,630 tons, 17.5%
   Miscellaneous weights: 375 tons, 4.0%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,707 lbs / 1,681 Kg = 40.4 x 7.0 " / 178 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.05
   Metacentric height 2.5 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 15.7 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.52
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.23

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.550
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.68 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.75 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 30 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 81
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 20.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.00 ft / 1.22 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50%):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.7%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.3%
   Waterplane Area: 15,416 Square feet or 1,432 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 155 lbs/sq ft or 758 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.95
      - Longitudinal: 1.63
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

Main belt: 16 feet above the waterline, 6 feet below the waterline.
Upper belt used to sim the weight of the 18" teak backing.

Walter

#1
(Defence clone)


Wei Hu, Enter country Armored ship laid down 1859
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Ships: 2 Wei Hu, Zu Li

Displacement:
   4,944 t light; 5,204 t standard; 5,880 t normal; 6,420 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   280.00 ft / 280.00 ft x 54.14 ft x 25.00 ft (normal load)
   85.34 m / 85.34 m x 16.50 m  x 7.62 m

Armament:
      2 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 175.00lbs / 79.38kg shells, 1867 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
     2 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
      14 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 112.00lbs / 50.80kg shells, 1867 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     8 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 1,918 lbs / 870 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.50" / 114 mm   160.00 ft / 48.77 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   1.80" / 46 mm   160.00 ft / 48.77 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     Main Belt covers 88% of normal length

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,023 ihp / 1,509 Kw = 11.30 kts
   Range 1,670nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,216 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   335 - 436

Cost:
   £0.467 million / $1.869 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 239 tons, 4.1%
   Armour: 1,026 tons, 17.4%
      - Belts: 1,026 tons, 17.4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
   Machinery: 671 tons, 11.4%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,158 tons, 36.7%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 936 tons, 15.9%
   Miscellaneous weights: 850 tons, 14.5%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,898 lbs / 1,314 Kg = 21.2 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 2.3 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 15.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.29
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.55

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.543
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.17 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.73 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50%):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 84.2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 92.6%
   Waterplane Area: 10,181 Square feet or 946 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 657 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.89
      - Longitudinal: 2.81
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather


Main belt: 16 feet above the waterline, 6 feet below the waterline.
Upper belt used to sim the weight of the 18" teak backing.

Walter

#2
(Hector clone; the translator found "Hector" hard to swallow, but I eventually managed to force "Heketuo" out of it, which sounded good enough to me :-)  )

Heketuo, Armored ship laid down 1861
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)
Two ships: Heketuo, Ying Yong

Displacement:
   5,804 t light; 6,095 t standard; 6,548 t normal; 6,910 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   280.00 ft / 280.00 ft x 56.25 ft x 24.25 ft (normal load)
   85.34 m / 85.34 m x 17.15 m  x 7.39 m

Armament:
      2 - 8.00" / 203 mm guns in single mounts, 175.00lbs / 79.38kg shells, 1867 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all aft
      16 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 112.00lbs / 50.80kg shells, 1867 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 2,142 lbs / 972 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 120

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.50" / 114 mm   216.00 ft / 65.84 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
   Ends:   2.50" / 64 mm     64.00 ft / 19.51 m   12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Upper:   1.80" / 46 mm   280.00 ft / 85.34 m   22.00 ft / 6.71 m
     Main Belt covers 119% of normal length

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3,184 ihp / 2,375 Kw = 12.60 kts
   Range 800nm at 11.50 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 815 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   363 - 473

Cost:
   £0.565 million / $2.261 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 267 tons, 4.1%
   Armour: 1,398 tons, 21.4%
      - Belts: 1,398 tons, 21.4%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0%
   Machinery: 987 tons, 15.1%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,252 tons, 34.4%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 743 tons, 11.4%
   Miscellaneous weights: 900 tons, 13.7%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     3,042 lbs / 1,380 Kg = 21.0 x 8.0 " / 203 mm shells or 0.6 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.11
   Metacentric height 2.6 ft / 0.8 m
   Roll period: 14.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.27
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.52

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.98 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 16.73 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 40 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50%):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Stern:      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 95.2%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 94.6%
   Waterplane Area: 11,268 Square feet or 1,047 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 102%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 133 lbs/sq ft or 651 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.52
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Main belt: 16 feet above the waterline, 6 feet below the waterline.
Upper belt used to sim the weight of the 18" teak backing.

Walter

#3
Hmmm... Inflexible is rather inflexible in SS... *tries to bend the design a bit more*

Dai Ban, Wei ironclad battleship laid down 1875
Central citadel ship

Displacement:
   11,985 t light; 12,524 t standard; 13,311 t normal; 13,940 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   344.00 ft / 344.00 ft x 76.00 ft x 27.00 ft (normal load)
   104.85 m / 104.85 m x 23.16 m  x 8.23 m

Armament:
      4 - 16.00" / 406 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1,500.00lbs / 680.39kg shells, 1875 Model
     Breech loading guns in Coles/Ericsson turrets
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 3.75" / 95.3 mm guns in single mounts, 20.00lbs / 9.07kg shells, 1875 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 6,120 lbs / 2,776 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 80
   2 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm above water torpedoes, 2 - 14.0" / 355.6 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   20.0" / 508 mm   145.00 ft / 44.20 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   145.00 ft / 44.20 m   15.00 ft / 4.57 m
     Main Belt covers 65% of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   17.0" / 432 mm   16.0" / 406 mm            -

   - Armour deck: 2.75" / 70 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 3,087 ihp / 2,303 Kw = 11.50 kts
   Range 4,000nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,416 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   619 - 805

Cost:
   £1.195 million / $4.781 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 809 tons, 6.1%
   Armour: 5,389 tons, 40.5%
      - Belts: 2,659 tons, 20.0%
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0%
      - Armament: 1,557 tons, 11.7%
      - Armour Deck: 1,028 tons, 7.7%
      - Conning Tower: 145 tons, 1.1%
   Machinery: 688 tons, 5.2%
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,998 tons, 37.5%
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,326 tons, 10.0%
   Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0.8%

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,549 lbs / 5,239 Kg = 7.3 x 16.0 " / 406 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 3.8 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 51 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.31
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.11

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.660
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.53 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.55 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 33 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 46
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Forecastle (20%):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Mid (50%):      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Quarterdeck (15%):   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Stern:      9.00 ft / 2.74 m
      - Average freeboard:   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 64.4%
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 54.7%
   Waterplane Area: 20,212 Square feet or 1,878 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 100%
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 188 lbs/sq ft or 920 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.22
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped

Armored belt is 9 feet above and 6 feet below the waterline. Armored belt is 24" at the waterline, 16" below, 20" upper end.
Upper belt used to sim the weight of the teak backing. (17" at the waterline, 21" upper end and 25" below water)

Korpen

Quote from: Walter on July 11, 2011, 01:05:54 PM
(*) Armored belt is 110 feet + 76 ft transverse bulkhead. Armored belt is 9 feet above and 6 feet below the waterline. Armored belt is 24" at the waterline, 16" below, 20" upper end. Transverse bulkhead is 22" lower part and 18" upper part.
(**) Upper belt used to sim the weight of the teak backing. (17" at the waterline, 21" upper end and 25" below water)
SS include transverse bulkhead for the upper and main belts, something you can check by making the belt 0,01m long, so no real need to account for it separately.
Card-carrying member of the Battlecruiser Fan Club.

Walter

#5
Wasn't sure about how to sim an armored box like that so I thought that that was the proper way to do it (I did it with the other designs as well). If that is not necessary, it would make it a bit easier to get closer to the historical ship, make it less inflexible. :)

Edit: fixed the designs.