Armada du la Texas

[ctwaterman]

I agree Submarines in the 1860 are a proof of concept a warship with a range of 5 Nautical Miles or less based on Tide, Current, and how good the seals on the compressed air containers are is well....

Its not a weapon its a toy...

I really dont have any problem with most of the rest of the story line I am basically waiting to see what happens in Europe so I can use that as a basis for my United Confederation of American States [UCAS] I like that name I think I will keep it...

I also have no problems allowing UCAS shipyards in Mobile or New Orleans build ships that are "Built in Texas Yards" please deposit cash on delivery. ::)

[TexanCowboy]

Think the only time that I'm ordering from you are a bunch of those ships in Baltimore. Sowee.

[ctwaterman]

I think I will end up Having Naval Ship Yards at Baltimore, Norfolk, Mobile and possibly something small at New Orleans.  But expect extensive fortifications along the Chesepeake Bay approaches and approaches to all my Major Comercial Ports.

The Actuall Exception might be New Orleans since the River needs to be shard with You.   

Charles

[TexanCowboy]

Heh, joint fortifications might be a nice idea; it's not like a third of my nation isn't formally from your nation anyways.

EDIT: Port Royal and Wilmington might be good points too. Charleston too.

[ctwaterman]

I have no Problem building a pair of Forts blocking access up the Mississippi, I will have to build a Cannal from lake Bourge Into Lake Pontchatrain along with Forts to protect this attack route towards the City.


Him The Fortress City of Vicksburgs Bluff.....

[TexanCowboy]

Yeap, just as long as I control one of the ports. I've got access all the way to the 21st parallel.

[ctwaterman]

We should honestly look at a treaty to make use of the Mississippi a protected right simply because of its value to both our nations and honestly to the Indian Confederation north of both of US and the NER with nearly all his trade West of the Applician Mountains flowing down the Ohio river into the Mississippi.

Honestly think my Two Largest Trading Partners almost have to be Texas and the NER as well as the Native Coalition holding the Northern Plain states.

Over Seas Trade will probably be with N4 England, France, and or Spain.

Charles

[Carthaginian]

Him The Fortress City of Vicksburgs Bluff.....

A perfect place for the UCAS to build the Blakeley Widow.

[Walter]

To me, it seems like you'll also be planning to put that gun aboard a ship...

[ctwaterman]

Maybe in 40 Years...

Currently something more like this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:200pdrParrott.jpg
Hmmm I am going to have to figure out how to put a picture into this bloody page.
Anyway the 2 8" Parrot guns above mounted on the Vicksburg Bluff in the 1860 control the entire Mississippi river at that point.

Or maybe this one...
an 11" Dahlgreen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DahlgrenGunMorrisIsland.jpg

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[TexanCowboy]

Specifically, on the wikipedia ones, you'll need to click on the picture till you get to the wikipedia commons part.

Ok, guys, I've changed the laydown dates on the two frigates to 1861 and 1862, respectively. You can see them below this post or in the original thread.

I've also eliminated the mention of the submarine in favor of the Mexican ship hitting a drifting mine. I'll be halting all work on this storyline until we figure out exactly how much tonnage we have to work with prior to the beginning of the game, but until that time, comments are welcome, esp. about the SS designs themselves.

New Bordeaux, Texan 2nd Class Iron Frigate laid down 1861
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)

Displacement:
   4,414 t light; 4,630 t standard; 5,187 t normal; 5,632 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   340.00 ft / 340.00 ft x 46.90 ft x 22.50 ft (normal load)
   103.63 m / 103.63 m x 14.30 m  x 6.86 m

Armament:
      16 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 48.00lbs / 21.77kg shells, 1861 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
     16 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
      8 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 72.00lbs / 32.66kg shells, 1861 Model
     Breech loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 72.00lbs / 32.66kg shells, 1861 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 9.00lbs / 4.08kg shells, 1861 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 1,506 lbs / 683 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   4.00" / 102 mm   235.00 ft / 71.63 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.50" / 89 mm   235.00 ft / 71.63 m   8.25 ft / 2.51 m
     Main Belt covers 106 % of normal length

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3,816 ihp / 2,847 Kw = 14.00 kts
   Range 2,650nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,002 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   305 - 397

Cost:
   £0.484 million / $1.935 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 195 tons, 3.8 %
   Armour: 836 tons, 16.1 %
      - Belts: 646 tons, 12.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 190 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,183 tons, 22.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,070 tons, 39.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 773 tons, 14.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 130 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     2,153 lbs / 977 Kg = 61.0 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 2.2 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 13.3 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.37
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.22

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.506
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.25 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 18.44 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 32 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 57
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.00 ft / 5.49 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   10.00 ft / 3.05 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m before break)
      - Stern:      10.00 ft / 3.05 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.96 ft / 4.56 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 10,280 Square feet or 955 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 106 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 124 lbs/sq ft or 605 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.72
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

130 tons accounts for sails and full rig

TMS Natchitoches, Texas 3rd Class Iron Frigate laid down 1862
Armoured Frigate (Broadside ironclad)

Displacement:
   3,668 t light; 3,824 t standard; 4,334 t normal; 4,742 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   303.00 ft / 303.00 ft x 44.70 ft x 22.50 ft (normal load)
   92.35 m / 92.35 m x 13.62 m  x 6.86 m

Armament:
      10 - 5.00" / 127 mm guns in single mounts, 48.00lbs / 21.77kg shells, 1862 Model
     Muzzle loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
     10 guns on gundeck (upper belt level) - Limited use in heavy seas
      4 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 72.00lbs / 32.66kg shells, 1862 Model
     Breech loading guns in broadside mounts
     on side, all amidships
      2 - 7.00" / 178 mm guns in single mounts, 72.00lbs / 32.66kg shells, 1862 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      2 - 3.50" / 88.9 mm guns in single mounts, 9.00lbs / 4.08kg shells, 1862 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft
   Weight of broadside 930 lbs / 422 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.50" / 89 mm   215.00 ft / 65.53 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   3.00" / 76 mm   215.00 ft / 65.53 m   9.00 ft / 2.74 m
     Main Belt covers 109 % of normal length

   - Armour deck: 1.00" / 25 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, simple reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 3,693 ihp / 2,755 Kw = 14.25 kts
   Range 2,900nm at 8.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 917 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   266 - 347

Cost:
   £0.387 million / $1.548 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 123 tons, 2.8 %
   Armour: 693 tons, 16.0 %
      - Belts: 532 tons, 12.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 160 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,110 tons, 25.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,633 tons, 37.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 666 tons, 15.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 110 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     1,783 lbs / 809 Kg = 49.2 x 5.0 " / 127 mm shells or 0.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.20
   Metacentric height 2.1 ft / 0.6 m
   Roll period: 13.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 72 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.28
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.33

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.498
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.78 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.41 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 36 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 54
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.00 ft / 5.18 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.00 ft / 4.88 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   8.00 ft / 2.44 m (16.00 ft / 4.88 m before break)
      - Stern:      8.00 ft / 2.44 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.88 ft / 4.54 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 107.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 99.1 %
   Waterplane Area: 8,653 Square feet or 804 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 113 lbs/sq ft or 552 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.92
      - Longitudinal: 2.08
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

110 tons serves as full rig

[TexanCowboy]

Dang, this is gonna be an Epic Texan Armoured Cruiser.

[snip]

nice try

[Desertfox]

I just realized that we will probably will be using the very same gun sizes... That will be very convenient for when I capture your ships, no need to worry about ammo. ;-)