Interesting Notes

[Blooded]

Hello,

I stumbled across this old gem pocketbook. Had a few prices and numbers.


Sailing Ships: Rand-McNally 1976


Interesting tidbit... no ages, conditions or subtypes but... (sorry no formatting-still have not caught onto that one)

pg.231    Merchant Sailing Ships(from the Bureau Veritas, 1875)

Country    Number of Ships  Total Tonnage
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England         19,709      5,543,567
United States   7,312      2,387,876
Norway           4,718      1,360,663
Italy               4,469      1,222,832
Germany          3,477        853,290
France            3,877        751,854
Spain             2,888        551,201
Greece           2,092        418,689
Holland           1,471        403,788
Sweden           2,018        389,062
Russia            1,759        383,841
Austria             980        192,970
Denmark          1,291        176,941
Portugal           444        107,194




Notes of Interest

pg. 227   Marlborough: Blackwall Frigate(3 Masts): 1,402 tons; Launch: 1846
          built of English Oak and Malabar Teak; cost about 40 pounds sterling per ton; height of decks: over 6'; In 1851 judged finest ship in merchant fleet.

pg.197    Congress of Paris of 1856 banned privateering; Spain, Mexico and US still raided since they did not sign.

pg. 268   In 1862 Italian Navy tonnage of sail amounted to 644,000 tons; tonnage of steam was only 10,000 tons.

pg.269    Cosmos: full-rigged(3 Mast): 4,200 tons(2,800 Capacity); Launch: 1865; Crew: 35; Good speed: 14knts
          Total cost: 735,000 lire; large salon and 20 two person cabins; Below decks accomedations for up to 600 immigrants.

pg. 270   Between 1870 and 1890 Germany had 815 steamships with a total of 617,911 tons. by 1905 the tonnage increased to 1,774,072. At the same time the 2,294 sailing ships accounted for 493,644 tons.

[Carthaginian]

Looks like an awesome find... though I'm on my bobo phone and can't tell exactly what is here. Will give it a good hard look when I get home.

[miketr]

Yes very interesting.

Sailing ships remain important right up through end of WW1.

Michael

[Tanthalas]

has there been a discusion on how to sim a sailing ship? I ask becasue I honestly have no idea how to do that in Spring Sharp.  (oh and I have an Idea for a few)

[Carthaginian]

has there been a discusion on how to sim a sailing ship? I ask becasue I honestly have no idea how to do that in Spring Sharp.  (oh and I have an Idea for a few)

We're gonna have to come up with some consensus... in 1880, there were still some in service.
I personally allot 1% of the ship's displacement for supplemental sails and 2% for full sails. Some people have used WesWorld figures of 10%, but that seems a bit steep for me even if it is for 'stability effect.' IMO, a ship designed to use sails would take those stability issues into consideration from the start- thus, no additional consideration would be necessary.

[Tanthalas]

I would tend to agree with you, and check your site mail