Austrian Dreadnaught Tegetthoff

Started by Darman, May 19, 2011, 11:48:05 PM

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Darman

I was simming the Austro-Hungarian dreadnaught Tegetthoff.  I changed only a couple of things, namely I changed the guns from 12 inches to 350mm (13.78") and the main belt armor from 12 to 11 inches. 
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Tegetthoff, Austro-Hungary Dreadnaught laid down 1910

Displacement:
   22,529 t light; 23,008 t standard; 23,919 t normal; 24,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498.00 ft / 498.00 ft x 91.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
   151.79 m / 151.79 m x 27.74 m  x 8.84 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,308.20lbs / 593.39kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 17,237 lbs / 7,819 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 0

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   12.0" / 305 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Ends:   5.00" / 127 mm   174.28 ft / 53.12 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Upper:   5.00" / 127 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   27.73 ft / 8.45 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      11.0" / 279 mm

   - Armour deck: 1.40" / 36 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,347 shp / 21,893 Kw = 20.40 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,640 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   961 - 1,250

Cost:
   £2.785 million / $11.141 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,155 tons, 9.0 %
   Armour: 6,915 tons, 28.9 %
      - Belts: 2,936 tons, 12.3 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 664 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 2,230 tons, 9.3 %
      - Armour Deck: 888 tons, 3.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,334 tons, 5.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,851 tons, 49.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,389 tons, 5.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     23,394 lbs / 10,612 Kg = 17.9 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 4.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
   Metacentric height 4.3 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 18.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.89
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.05

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.55 ft / 7.48 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Stern:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.33 ft / 4.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 105.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,304 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 88 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 255 lbs/sq ft or 1,246 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.19
      - Longitudinal: 2.29
      - Overall: 1.27
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Any suggestions?

I know that there were 2 3in QF/AA guns (still haven't figured out which one it was supposed to be) on top of each superfiring turret.  So I placed them as "above freeboard" and the report indicates those 4 as being "superfiring".  Are they actually on top of the turrets or is there a specific way of doing that?

P3D

Shell per gun: 0

A few note on the historical design:
Total armored deck thickness was 108mm (30+36+42).
Turret sides were 280mm
Upper belt 180mmm covering two decks (inc. casemates)
End belt 150mm, upper end belt 100mm (one deck)
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Darman

I am ashamed to admit I didn't notice the "shells:0" bit. 
I also was going by wikipedia's armor description.  I did adjust it and ended up with hull structure failure so I took away from armor rather than armament, although on second thought I'm wondering why. 
QuoteTegetthoff, Austro-Hungary Dreadnaught laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21,312 t light; 23,008 t standard; 23,919 t normal; 24,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498.00 ft / 498.00 ft x 91.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
   151.79 m / 151.79 m x 27.74 m  x 8.84 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.78" / 350 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,308.20lbs / 593.39kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 17,237 lbs / 7,819 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   323.69 ft / 98.66 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Ends:   5.50" / 140 mm   174.28 ft / 53.12 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Upper:   3.50" / 89 mm   323.69 ft / 98.66 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
     Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   323.69 ft / 98.66 m   27.72 ft / 8.45 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   5.00" / 127 mm      10.0" / 254 mm

   - Armour deck: 4.25" / 108 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,914 shp / 22,316 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,640 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   961 - 1,250

Cost:
   £2.746 million / $10.985 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2,155 tons, 9.0 %
   Armour: 8,257 tons, 34.5 %
      - Belts: 2,634 tons, 11.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 664 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 2,064 tons, 8.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,698 tons, 11.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,360 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,266 tons, 38.7 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,607 tons, 10.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     22,337 lbs / 10,132 Kg = 17.1 x 13.8 " / 350 mm shells or 3.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.02
   Metacentric height 4.5 ft / 1.4 m
   Roll period: 18.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.87
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.07

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.55 ft / 7.48 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Stern:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.33 ft / 4.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 113.1 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,304 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 84 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 200 lbs/sq ft or 974 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 1.77
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Borys

Ahoj!
Main Belt too short.
10" face for MG turret face is scandalously low - this is the piece of armour MOST  likely to be hit at the perpendicular.
IMO it's not possible to get 12x35cm using historical shell weights*. 4x2, or 2x3+2x2 is IMO the best you can hope for.
Borys

The Skoda 35cm shell weighted 700kg. On the other hand, c.100 rounds per gun should be enough

Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Darman

Fixed guns down to 13in even. 

QuoteTegetthoff, Austro-Hungary Dreadnaught laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21,487 t light; 23,008 t standard; 23,919 t normal; 24,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498.00 ft / 498.00 ft x 91.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
   151.79 m / 151.79 m x 27.74 m  x 8.84 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.00" / 330 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,098.50lbs / 498.27kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 14,721 lbs / 6,677 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   367.00 ft / 111.86 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Ends:   5.50" / 140 mm   174.28 ft / 53.12 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Upper:   3.50" / 89 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 113 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   27.73 ft / 8.45 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   11.0" / 279 mm      11.0" / 279 mm

   - Armour deck: 4.25" / 108 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,914 shp / 22,316 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,640 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   961 - 1,250

Cost:
   £2.488 million / $9.952 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,840 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 8,905 tons, 37.2 %
      - Belts: 2,811 tons, 11.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 664 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 2,535 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,698 tons, 11.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,360 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,107 tons, 38.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,432 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,074 lbs / 11,374 Kg = 22.8 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 18.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.55 ft / 7.48 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Stern:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.33 ft / 4.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,304 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 90 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 196 lbs/sq ft or 958 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.97
      - Longitudinal: 1.78
      - Overall: 1.03
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

Warning: Armour belts longer than ship

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Borys

Ahoj!
You forgot to shorten the End Belts :) - a common mistake of mine :D
The "other gunhouse" can be 7"-8" - and the savings can go into a 12-12,5" turret face.
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Darman

How do I shorten the end belts?  Or I suppose, by how much should I shorten them?  Is the better question. 

Borys

#7
Ahoj!
You shorten them by writing in their new lenght into the respective field. And I'd say that you shorten them by some 50FT, as to make MB+EB=ship overall lenght.
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Darman

So something more like this?  I reduced the end belt. 
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Tegetthoff, Austro-Hungary Dreadnaught laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21,487 t light; 23,008 t standard; 23,919 t normal; 24,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498.00 ft / 498.00 ft x 91.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
   151.79 m / 151.79 m x 27.74 m  x 8.84 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.00" / 330 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,098.50lbs / 498.27kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 14,721 lbs / 6,677 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   325.74 ft / 99.29 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Ends:   5.50" / 140 mm   123.26 ft / 37.57 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
     49.00 ft / 14.94 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.50" / 89 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   27.73 ft / 8.45 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.5" / 318 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      12.5" / 318 mm

   - Armour deck: 4.25" / 108 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,914 shp / 22,316 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,640 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   961 - 1,250

Cost:
   £2.488 million / $9.952 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,840 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 8,621 tons, 36.0 %
      - Belts: 2,523 tons, 10.5 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 664 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 2,539 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,698 tons, 11.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,360 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,391 tons, 39.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,432 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,079 lbs / 11,376 Kg = 22.8 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 18.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.09

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.55 ft / 7.48 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Stern:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.33 ft / 4.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,304 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 202 lbs/sq ft or 988 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.86
      - Overall: 1.06
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Borys

Ahoj!
Yes, much better. You could add 15ft to the End Belts, as to cover the whole lenght of the hull.
The stability is awful - I'd explain this by the excessive Armoured Deck.
But great progress!
Borys
NEDS - Not Enough Deck Space for all those guns and torpedos;
Bambi must DIE!

Darman

Any suggestions for improving the stability?  Just cut down on the armored deck a bit? 
Also. I have casemated guns, do I need to specifically armor them? 

Here is the extra 15ft of end belt:
QuoteTegetthoff, Austro-Hungary Dreadnaught laid down 1910

Displacement:
   21,487 t light; 23,008 t standard; 23,919 t normal; 24,648 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   498.00 ft / 498.00 ft x 91.00 ft x 29.00 ft (normal load)
   151.79 m / 151.79 m x 27.74 m  x 8.84 m

Armament:
      12 - 13.00" / 330 mm guns (4x3 guns), 1,098.50lbs / 498.27kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1910 Model
     Breech loading guns in casemate mounts
     on side, all amidships
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in all but light seas
      14 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      4 - 3.00" / 76.2 mm guns in single mounts, 13.50lbs / 6.12kg shells, 1910 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 14,721 lbs / 6,677 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 125

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.0" / 279 mm   325.74 ft / 99.29 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
   Ends:   5.50" / 140 mm   138.26 ft / 42.14 m   11.45 ft / 3.49 m
     34.00 ft / 10.36 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   3.50" / 89 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 101 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.00" / 51 mm   323.70 ft / 98.66 m   27.73 ft / 8.45 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   12.5" / 318 mm   8.00" / 203 mm      12.5" / 318 mm

   - Armour deck: 4.25" / 108 mm, Conning tower: 11.00" / 279 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 4 shafts, 29,914 shp / 22,316 Kw = 20.50 kts
   Range 4,200nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,640 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   961 - 1,250

Cost:
   £2.488 million / $9.952 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,840 tons, 7.7 %
   Armour: 8,656 tons, 36.2 %
      - Belts: 2,558 tons, 10.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 664 tons, 2.8 %
      - Armament: 2,539 tons, 10.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 2,698 tons, 11.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 197 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,360 tons, 5.7 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,356 tons, 39.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,432 tons, 10.2 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 275 tons, 1.1 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     25,078 lbs / 11,375 Kg = 22.8 x 13.0 " / 330 mm shells or 4.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.01
   Metacentric height 4.4 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 18.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 54 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.76
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.08

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.637
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.47 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 22.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 50 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      24.55 ft / 7.48 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Mid (50 %):      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Stern:      15.62 ft / 4.76 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.33 ft / 4.98 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 100.6 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 106.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,304 Square feet or 3,187 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 91 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 202 lbs/sq ft or 984 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.00
      - Longitudinal: 1.84
      - Overall: 1.06
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

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Delta Force

The ship is a tad top heavy. I would take away some of the deck armor and use it to reinforce the turrets and main belt. I think that the standard deck thickness for battleships in game is currently 3 inches.

Korpen

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Quote from: Darman on May 20, 2011, 12:45:28 PM
Any suggestions for improving the stability?  Just cut down on the armored deck a bit?  
Also. I have casemated guns, do I need to specifically armor them?  

Here is the extra 15ft of end belt:
The deck armour have zero impact on the stability of the ship as Springsharp have the deck at the waterline.
You have a hull strength of 1,06, so with the ,06 extra strength you can decrease draft and increase beam which should give you a stability of around 1,08. Playing around with the trim could perhaps push that up a bit more as well.

Oh, and fix that ugly default freeboard, it looks silly with a stem 3m higher then the rest of the hull.
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Sachmle

If you're trying to do a 'historical' Teghettoff (Viribus Unitis) you need to use the right guns.

4 Triple 30.5cm/45 K10 w/ 450kg shells
12 single 15cm/50 K10 (actual bore is 14.91cm) with 45.5kg shells
18 single 7cm/50 K10 (actual bore is 6.6cm) with 4.5kg shells
2 single 4.7cm/44 Anti-balloon guns (unknown shell weight, to me. However the Hotchkiss 4.7cm/40 used a 1.5kg shell so I'd start there.)

If you want to use the 35cm guns then use the right ones
35cm/45 K14 (actual bore is 34.95cm) with 635kg shells.

Also, Tegetthoff was already too small for the armament installed, going up to the 35cm vs the 30.5cm will most likely not work, unless you use twins. (and then only MAYBE).

Also, as Korpen (who it's nice to see) pointed out, the armor deck will not lower stability. In fact, thickening it will sometimes improve stability due to it being low in the hull. Plus, P3D already pointed out that 108mm is the correct thickness.

Yes you need to armor the casemate guns. I'd go 18cm just like the upper belt and maybe 2.5cm for the "hoist/other below deck armor"
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Delta Force

Being overgunned and top heavy wasn't really a problem for the KuK Navy though, since the ships were never intended to operate outside of the Adriatic and Mediterranean anyways.