If I could do it all again...

[Valles]

When I originally took over Maoria, I had no clue what I was doing - and a lot of my designs from that period show it, most notably and most critically my Bardiche class battleships. Ever since I gained a better idea of what I was about, I've been badly dissatisfied with them. Now, one way or the other, the issue is entirely moot now, but since I had to reinstall Springsharp, I thought it might be fun to baptise this copy with a 'never was'.

Lost Logia, Maori Battleship laid down 1902

Displacement:
   17,173 t light; 18,593 t standard; 20,126 t normal; 21,352 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   445.79 ft / 442.91 ft x 75.46 ft x 26.25 ft (normal load)
   135.88 m / 135.00 m x 23.00 m  x 8.00 m

Armament:
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (2x2 guns), 826.73lbs / 375.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      4 - 11.81" / 300 mm guns (2x2 guns), 826.73lbs / 375.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on side, all amidships
      12 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
      16 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 1902 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
   Weight of broadside 8,148 lbs / 3,696 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 210

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm     88.55 ft / 26.99 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 123 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      0.98" / 25 mm   354.33 ft / 108.00 m   25.89 ft / 7.89 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   2nd:   11.8" / 300 mm   7.87" / 200 mm      11.8" / 300 mm
   3rd:   5.91" / 150 mm         -               -
   4th:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 11.81" / 300 mm

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 4 shafts, 17,610 shp / 13,137 Kw = 18.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,758 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   844 - 1,098

Cost:
   £1.855 million / $7.421 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 1,004 tons, 5.0 %
   Armour: 7,279 tons, 36.2 %
      - Belts: 3,761 tons, 18.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 334 tons, 1.7 %
      - Armament: 1,929 tons, 9.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,066 tons, 5.3 %
      - Conning Tower: 188 tons, 0.9 %
   Machinery: 2,935 tons, 14.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 5,655 tons, 28.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,953 tons, 14.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 1.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     20,119 lbs / 9,126 Kg = 24.4 x 11.8 " / 300 mm shells or 2.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 15.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.65
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.40

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.803
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.87 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 21.05 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.44 ft / 0.44 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forecastle (10 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (10 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 121.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 29,281 Square feet or 2,720 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 94 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 140 lbs/sq ft or 684 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.70
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

250 tons Fire Control
25 tons long-range wireless
25 tons damage control

[Korpen]

I recognise the feeling. If nothing else it is fun to see how one self and others has improved as ship designers when one is looking at the first designs players made in the sim.

[snip]

personally, I am quite glad the first design I made has been lost. So...many...mistakes....

[Logi]

Unfortunately, the Huang Hun and Li Ming are still about. Well one of them anyways. Not exactly a eshining example of SSing a design.

[snip]

Better then a 70,000 ton BC with VTEs in 1930  :o

[Valles]

Apparently the ships themselves aren't that interesting? Ah, well.

Aside from the Bardiches, my biggest mistake was in not using all of my allowed 'starting tonnage', by, IIRC, something like fifty thousand tons.

In retrospect, I probably would have gone with three of what ended up being called the 'Asclepius' class and three of the 'Lost Logia' design for my battle-line, plus, oh, eighteen or so of the following...

Barracuda, Maori Escort Cruiser laid down 1909

Displacement:
   5,363 t light; 5,717 t standard; 6,150 t normal; 6,497 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   390.02 ft / 387.14 ft x 52.49 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   118.88 m / 118.00 m x 16.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns in single mounts, 110.23lbs / 50.00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      24 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 13.23lbs / 6.00kg shells, 1909 Model
     Quick firing guns in casemate mounts
     on side ends, evenly spread
     12 guns in hull casemates - Limited use in heavy seas
   Weight of broadside 1,199 lbs / 544 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 300

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   271.00 ft / 82.60 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ends:   1.97" / 50 mm   116.11 ft / 35.39 m   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Upper:   1.97" / 50 mm   271.00 ft / 82.60 m   8.20 ft / 2.50 m
     Main Belt covers 108 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.91" / 150 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   2nd:   5.91" / 150 mm   3.94" / 100 mm      3.94" / 100 mm
   3rd:   1.97" / 50 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.97" / 50 mm, Conning tower: 5.91" / 150 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Electric motors, 2 shafts, 17,764 shp / 13,252 Kw = 22.00 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 780 tons (75% coal)

Complement:
   346 - 451

Cost:
   £0.428 million / $1.712 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 142 tons, 2.3 %
   Armour: 2,271 tons, 36.9 %
      - Belts: 1,438 tons, 23.4 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 256 tons, 4.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 535 tons, 8.7 %
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.7 %
   Machinery: 867 tons, 14.1 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,934 tons, 31.4 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 787 tons, 12.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 150 tons, 2.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     10,029 lbs / 4,549 Kg = 97.4 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.14
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 14.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.44
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.32

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.587
   Length to Beam Ratio: 7.38 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.68 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 5.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.44 ft / 0.44 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Forecastle (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 69.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 132.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 14,684 Square feet or 1,364 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 116 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 85 lbs/sq ft or 413 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.94
      - Longitudinal: 1.84
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

100t fire control
25t long-range wireless

Midships mounts are 'cross-set', allowing cross-deck fire by raised turrets.