Middle Kingdom Design Studies for 1920

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Figured I would start coming up with some designs for future ships of the Middle Kingdom. Of course none of them will get layed down until after all this unpleasant war business is wrapped up. The designs only reflect current tech, updates to them will come as time goes on.

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First up, a long range commerce raiding cruiser. The idea is the give the Dragon Navy a bit of power projection abilities against enemy merchant traffic. Ripped off erm based on the M-Class cruisers of the German Z plan.

Xióngw?i (Majestic) Class, Middle Kingdom Cruiser laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   9,377 t light; 9,732 t standard; 11,199 t normal; 12,372 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   636.49 ft / 623.36 ft x 62.34 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   194.00 m / 190.00 m x 19.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 14.33lbs / 6.50kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 903 lbs / 409 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   5.12" / 130 mm   426.51 ft / 130.00 m   9.47 ft / 2.89 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
   Upper:   2.95" / 75 mm   373.20 ft / 113.75 m   8.00 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 105 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.97" / 50 mm   373.20 ft / 113.75 m   16.56 ft / 5.05 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.12" / 130 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.75" / 19 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 53,878 shp / 40,193 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 8,250nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,640 tons

Complement:
   543 - 707

Cost:
   £1.669 million / $6.677 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 1.0 %
   Armour: 2,247 tons, 20.1 %
      - Belts: 1,228 tons, 11.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 450 tons, 4.0 %
      - Armament: 139 tons, 1.2 %
      - Armour Deck: 378 tons, 3.4 %
      - Conning Tower: 51 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 2,007 tons, 17.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,808 tons, 42.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,822 tons, 16.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 200 tons, 1.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     16,857 lbs / 7,646 Kg = 163.7 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 3.2 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 3.4 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 14.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 76 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.15
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.559
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 24.97 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 75
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.18 ft / 0.97 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.22 ft / 5.25 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Stern:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   13.45 ft / 4.10 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 102.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 112.5 %
   Waterplane Area: 27,348 Square feet or 2,541 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 152 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 127 lbs/sq ft or 619 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.48
      - Longitudinal: 0.88
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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Next is a small coastal battleship or Coastal Defense ship. This is mainly just to get some heavy guns on the water. Not expected to deploy far from home.

Jìniàn (Remembrance) Class, Chinese Pocket Battleship laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   8,397 t light; 8,928 t standard; 9,475 t normal; 9,913 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   377.28 ft / 374.02 ft x 75.46 ft x 21.33 ft (normal load)
   115.00 m / 114.00 m x 23.00 m  x 6.50 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 903.90lbs / 410.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (4x2 guns), 46.30lbs / 21.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 4,009 lbs / 1,818 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   243.11 ft / 74.10 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Ends:   2.95" / 75 mm   130.87 ft / 39.89 m   10.43 ft / 3.18 m
   Upper:   7.09" / 180 mm   243.11 ft / 74.10 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.57" / 40 mm   243.11 ft / 74.10 m   18.37 ft / 5.60 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   10.0" / 254 mm   7.09" / 180 mm      9.06" / 230 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.50" / 38 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 16,727 shp / 12,479 Kw = 20.00 kts
   Range 5,500nm at 12.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 985 tons

Complement:
   479 - 624

Cost:
   £1.871 million / $7.483 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 488 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 3,467 tons, 36.6 %
      - Belts: 1,904 tons, 20.1 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 260 tons, 2.7 %
      - Armament: 661 tons, 7.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 546 tons, 5.8 %
      - Conning Tower: 96 tons, 1.0 %
   Machinery: 623 tons, 6.6 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,418 tons, 36.1 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,078 tons, 11.4 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 4.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     13,289 lbs / 6,028 Kg = 15.4 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 3.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.9 ft / 1.2 m
   Roll period: 16.0 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 58 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.551
   Length to Beam Ratio: 4.96 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.34 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.95 ft / 0.29 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.12 ft / 4.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   11.48 ft / 3.50 m (13.12 ft / 4.00 m before break)
      - Stern:      11.48 ft / 3.50 m
      - Average freeboard:   12.88 ft / 3.93 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 19,715 Square feet or 1,832 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 105 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 131 lbs/sq ft or 640 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.93
      - Longitudinal: 2.03
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate

[Sachmle]

Waaaay to much armor on that CL, and not enough speed. 13cm belt, try 8-10cm. Ditch the upper belt, it's kinda pointless on this ship. End belts maybe, but not the upper belt. Torpedo bulkheads (at least in the opinion of most on here) are useless if the ships beam is <24m. Dropping that will shorten the length needed for your main belt and drop LOTS of tonnage. Your deck is probably fine, but I'd make it an even 20mm instead of the 19mm/0.75" since the rest seems to be in metric. ;) CT armor seems fine. What is the 200t misc weight to include? I presume FC (100t) and obviously torpedo weight (2t per torp = 12t total), but what of the other 88t? For a 'raider' cruiser I'd guess having extra provisions could be a good idea, also at least a few boilers that can run on coal (since most prizes will still be coal burning merchants) to extend her operational range. Other than that, nice firepower.

[Jefgte]

This is a 1920 predreadnought.

IMO, too slow & under armed

Pocket BB is with 2T3
Increase the speed to work in the battleline.


Jef

[Laertes]

What Jefgte said. 4 guns isn't really sufficient. She's well armoured though.

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Majestic redone with Sam's comments.

Xióngw?i (Majestic) Class, Middle Kingdom Cruiser laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   6,000 t light; 6,302 t standard; 8,537 t normal; 10,325 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   554.47 ft / 541.34 ft x 55.77 ft x 18.04 ft (normal load)
   169.00 m / 165.00 m x 17.00 m  x 5.50 m

Armament:
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns (3x2 guns), 14.33lbs / 6.50kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all aft, all raised mounts - superfiring
      6 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 903 lbs / 409 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 250
   6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   3.94" / 100 mm   295.28 ft / 90.00 m   8.96 ft / 2.73 m
   Ends:   Unarmoured
     Main Belt covers 84 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   5.12" / 130 mm   2.95" / 75 mm      5.91" / 150 mm
   2nd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 0.79" / 20 mm, Conning tower: 4.72" / 120 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 3 shafts, 47,669 shp / 35,561 Kw = 28.00 kts
   Range 11,000nm at 17.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,023 tons (10% coal)

Complement:
   443 - 577

Cost:
   £1.319 million / $5.275 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 115 tons, 1.4 %
   Armour: 936 tons, 11.0 %
      - Belts: 448 tons, 5.2 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 139 tons, 1.6 %
      - Armour Deck: 306 tons, 3.6 %
      - Conning Tower: 43 tons, 0.5 %
   Machinery: 1,792 tons, 21.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 2,916 tons, 34.2 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,537 tons, 29.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 240 tons, 2.8 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,478 lbs / 5,206 Kg = 111.5 x 5.9 " / 150 mm shells or 1.7 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.27
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 13.1 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 71 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.548
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.71 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 53 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 68
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 3.18 ft / 0.97 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      17.22 ft / 5.25 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
      - Mid (50 %):      13.94 ft / 4.25 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   13.94 ft / 4.25 m
      - Stern:      13.94 ft / 4.25 m
      - Average freeboard:   14.21 ft / 4.33 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 83.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 108.9 %
   Waterplane Area: 21,040 Square feet or 1,955 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 150 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 94 lbs/sq ft or 458 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 1.10
      - Longitudinal: 0.97
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform

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And a much bigger, heavier, faster, stronger Remembrance Class Battleship

Jìniàn (Remembrance) Class, Chinese Battleship laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   15,860 t light; 16,889 t standard; 18,396 t normal; 19,602 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   554.46 ft / 541.34 ft x 82.02 ft x 21.33 ft (normal load)
   169.00 m / 165.00 m x 25.00 m  x 6.50 m

Armament:
      8 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (4x2 guns), 903.90lbs / 410.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, 2 raised mounts - superfiring
      12 - 4.72" / 120 mm guns (6x2 guns), 46.30lbs / 21.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side, evenly spread
      6 - 1.97" / 50.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.81lbs / 1.73kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on centreline, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 7,810 lbs / 3,542 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   321.52 ft / 98.00 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
   Ends:   0.59" / 15 mm   170.60 ft / 52.00 m   10.86 ft / 3.31 m
     49.21 ft / 15.00 m Unarmoured ends
   Upper:   7.09" / 180 mm   319.88 ft / 97.50 m   8.01 ft / 2.44 m
     Main Belt covers 91 % of normal length

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      2.36" / 60 mm   319.88 ft / 97.50 m   19.88 ft / 6.06 m

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   11.8" / 300 mm   7.09" / 180 mm      9.84" / 250 mm
   2nd:   3.94" / 100 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 2 shafts, 39,249 shp / 29,280 Kw = 23.00 kts
   Range 6,000nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 2,713 tons

Complement:
   789 - 1,026

Cost:
   £3.677 million / $14.710 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 948 tons, 5.2 %
   Armour: 6,088 tons, 33.1 %
      - Belts: 2,697 tons, 14.7 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 556 tons, 3.0 %
      - Armament: 1,667 tons, 9.1 %
      - Armour Deck: 1,018 tons, 5.5 %
      - Conning Tower: 150 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 1,462 tons, 7.9 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,961 tons, 37.8 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,537 tons, 13.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 400 tons, 2.2 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     26,045 lbs / 11,814 Kg = 30.1 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 4.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.06
   Metacentric height 4.2 ft / 1.3 m
   Roll period: 16.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.64
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.04

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.680
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.60 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 23.27 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 51 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 58
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 30.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 2.23 ft / 0.68 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      18.86 ft / 5.75 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (15 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   16.60 ft / 5.06 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 90.9 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 138.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 34,955 Square feet or 3,247 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 108 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 152 lbs/sq ft or 741 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.18
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent

To Jef: As of now, the MK has nothing larger than a CL. Any battle line they get will be new so speed can be set wherever.

[Sachmle]

Majestic looks nice. I understand that she's a raider, but 11,000nm@17kts is overkill. 9,000nm @ 15 is fine, and the extra strength should get you to at least 29kts.

Remembrance: If you want a real BB, 12" is too small. If you want a CDS, 23kts is too fast.

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With Majestic's range: I think some of that will be below decks cargo. The range that is there was manly to get seakeeping under control without raising free board. Adding speed would not help in that regard. Any suggestions there?

Remembrance: 305mm is the newest gun that I have. There is a 330mm kicking around that could be used instead, but I dont think that would be much of an improvement. They sort of bisect the CDS and BB roles. I think after a hiatus from BB building for the MK that this would be a good starting point for doing it again from a historical prospective.

[Sachmle]

Remembrance: 305mm is the newest gun that I have. There is a 330mm kicking around that could be used instead, but I dont think that would be much of an improvement. They sort of bisect the CDS and BB roles. I think after a hiatus from BB building for the MK that this would be a good starting point for doing it again from a historical prospective.

Depends on if you want a blue water navy or a brown water navy. MK historically has been a brown water navy. If that mindset is to continue I think something along the lines of the RL Swedish Sverige would be a good starting point. In game you can use it as "building up the skills needed to construct larger ships, which MK has no experience designing or building yet". Then you could step up to a small Dreadnought like the current Remembrance design, but with better tech as you'll have time to research/integrate things. Plus, with your army no one's (Other than MAYBE the CRAZY Swiss, and obviously RRC) would invade you so you don't really NEED a navy anyway...but that would be boring. SOooo...unless the Jaded Thrown has ideas world conquest (Which I doubt, as they already "rule" the world anyway, just ask them :)) I don't think a blue water navy is a good idea RIGHT NOW. In a few sim years after your 'designers' and 'builders' have some 'experience' under their belts then I could see a much more aggressive naval build up.

With all the damn TBs/DDs/Torpedo barges MK has, all you really NEED is something the requires a BB to kill it. That makes your enemy have to commit it's heavy units to your littoral space, where all those lovely torpedo craft can wreak havoc on them. My $0.02.

Perhaps like this:

Ti? gu? (Iron Turtle), Middle Kingdom Coastal Defense Ship laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   8,200 t light; 8,661 t standard; 9,076 t normal; 9,408 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   393.70 ft / 393.70 ft x 65.62 ft x 20.51 ft (normal load)
   120.00 m / 120.00 m x 20.00 m  x 6.25 m

Armament:
      4 - 12.01" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 903.90lbs / 410.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
     on centreline ends, evenly spread
      8 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (4x2 guns), 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on side ends, evenly spread
      4 - 5.91" / 150 mm guns (2x2 guns), 99.21lbs / 45.00kg shells, 1915 Model
     Breech loading guns in deck mounts with hoists
     on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts
      2 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 14.33lbs / 6.50kg shells, 1915 Model
     Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships
      6 - 0.30" / 7.6 mm guns in single mounts, 0.01lbs / 0.01kg shells, 1893 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
   Weight of broadside 4,835 lbs / 2,193 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 100
   4 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm submerged torpedo tubes

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Ends:   2.36" / 60 mm   137.80 ft / 42.00 m   9.84 ft / 3.00 m
   Upper:   5.91" / 150 mm   255.91 ft / 78.00 m   8.04 ft / 2.45 m
     Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length

   - Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   7.87" / 200 mm   3.54" / 90 mm      7.48" / 190 mm
   2nd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   3rd:   2.95" / 75 mm   0.98" / 25 mm      2.95" / 75 mm
   4th:   0.98" / 25 mm         -               -

   - Armour deck: 1.57" / 40 mm, Conning tower: 7.87" / 200 mm

Machinery:
   Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 2 shafts, 20,000 shp / 14,920 Kw = 21.19 kts
   Range 5,000nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 746 tons (75% coal)

Complement:
   464 - 604

Cost:
   £2.115 million / $8.462 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 591 tons, 6.5 %
   Armour: 2,757 tons, 30.4 %
      - Belts: 1,529 tons, 16.8 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armament: 605 tons, 6.7 %
      - Armour Deck: 550 tons, 6.1 %
      - Conning Tower: 74 tons, 0.8 %
   Machinery: 800 tons, 8.8 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 3,752 tons, 41.3 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 876 tons, 9.7 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 300 tons, 3.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     11,057 lbs / 5,015 Kg = 12.8 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
   Metacentric height 3.2 ft / 1.0 m
   Roll period: 15.5 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 50 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.83
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.26

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has a flush deck
   Block coefficient: 0.600
   Length to Beam Ratio: 6.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 19.84 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 55 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 40
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      22.97 ft / 7.00 m
      - Forecastle (20 %):   19.69 ft / 6.00 m
      - Mid (50 %):      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Quarterdeck (20 %):   16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Stern:      16.40 ft / 5.00 m
      - Average freeboard:   17.81 ft / 5.43 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 87.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 133.6 %
   Waterplane Area: 18,888 Square feet or 1,755 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 97 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 135 lbs/sq ft or 660 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.61
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily

[snip]

I like that one. Let me play with a few things to tweak it a bit.

Any suggestions on the seakeeping for the Majestic?

[Laertes]

Higher cruising speed might help with the seakeeping. It's essentially the same as increasing range (since more fuel gets burned, you need larger bunkers). It might also aid with her mission - if your coastal defence ships can rapidly cruise to any given point, you don't need to spread them as thinly.

1.8 torpedoes needed to sink, on a ship designed to operate within the littoral, against a foe as air-dominant as the RRK, strikes me as a liability.

[snip]

Higher cruising speed might help with the seakeeping. It's essentially the same as increasing range (since more fuel gets burned, you need larger bunkers). It might also aid with her mission - if your coastal defence ships can rapidly cruise to any given point, you don't need to spread them as thinly.

1.8 torpedoes needed to sink, on a ship designed to operate within the littoral, against a foe as air-dominant as the RRK, strikes me as a liability.

Ummmmm....

Range 11,000nm at 17.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,023 tons (10% coal)

The Majestic really is designed as a long-ranged raider. I agree that torps are not her friend, but we dont really need to worry about air-dropped torps for quite some time.

On the Remembrance and a CDS: I think at this time that there are plenty of reasons to build a bit bigger BB/CDS hybrid. First is that experience issue. There have been BB's in the past so the MK is not completely in the dark on this. However, jumping in headfirst into a 40kt monster would be stupid. Second the small BB concept did not fair to well against the New Swiss in the 1st Pacific War (IIRC from my reading four sunk for no NS ships in return) This lesson would still be relatively fresh so going that rout again would seem sort of dumb to me. Third there would only be a few of these ships (2-3 maybe) built. This leaves plenty of room for construction of those pesky little DDs, TBs, subs and lots of other fun brown-water ships plus all the older ships. Basically a major headache (and lots of busted up and sunk ships) for anyone trying to engage the BB's in a coastal environment, while still being able to hold there own in a semi-blue water environment.

I guess were you could say the MK Navy might be headed is a "blue-brown" water navy. That is to say that, most of the ships will be designed with a brown-water environment in mind, but be capable of projection capabilities in a limited blue-water scenario. I'm not talking about a full-fledged blue-water navy (not for several years at least, maybe not ever), but there are times when it could be useful to have those capabilities.

[maddox]

Don't forget the MK naval top-dogs are in love with torpedo heavy ships.  Even the rather small old CCBB's have a gazillion (14) underwater tubes.  Maybe that the current war will give a huge change, but I doubt that.