UNK Ships 1917 and Beyond

[mentat]

  you could also consider saving a bit on freeboard - Sbt 1.15 could be lowered ?

   Barbettes - are as historical - but 13" would be better, but I think a 4' deck a higher priority

   Why have 16" guns and thin deck protection  :'(  ???

[ctwaterman]

has to be my favourite topic - i like the design - but think a bit light on the deck armour - esp. vs 14" and above

possible to slim down the Bunkerage (you need that much ? - and full load draft might be a problem?) or Firepower - make do with 15" or just 16 5.5s?

- anyway - whatever you do - can we have a picture  ;D

Sorry I dont do pictures....Its a talent I lack and one I dont have time to aquire. :'(

[ctwaterman]

  you could also consider saving a bit on freeboard - Sbt 1.15 could be lowered ?

   Barbettes - are as historical - but 13" would be better, but I think a 4' deck a higher priority

   Why have 16" guns and thin deck protection  :'(  ???

I went with the Barbette I could fit on the ship I will have to trim some speed off to reach my 140,000 SHP maximum that weight will go into armor.   But 12" Improved Krupp Armor is better then 13" non improved krupp armor.    This is what I will be using along with the same armor on a slope for the Belt and for the Deck.

I might short say 1 twin 5.5 turret per side but that would be it the single most danger to this ship is enemy Destroyers and cruisers at night or in confined waters.

Charles

[ctwaterman]

     Why have 16" guns and thin deck protection  :'(  ???

National Prestige...... when she says size doesnt matter she lied.... ;D

[mentat]

  - I'm sure she believes in good protection too  ;)

[ctwaterman]

  - I'm sure she believes in good protection too  ;)

Thats what she said and then they hit you with a Paternity suit.....

I went with the Deck Armor I did because I thought it was more historical then going with a thicker deck.   Basically we havent had any reall plunging fire hits yet.  I will check battle damage on my Ships from the rift war mostly my cruiser that took 12" gun fire but I dont think there was any real plunging fire from the Neo Swiss. :D

I might manage another 10mm or so of Deck Armor without killing my Stability and or Sea Keeping.

Charles

[Desertfox]

It's the Submerged TorpeDoeS one must worry about...

[ctwaterman]

It's the Submerged TorpeDoeS one must worry about...

Only if one catches to many of them of all the Battle Ships hit durring the Rift War only 1 sunk and that was hit 3 times by destroyers and latter twice by a sub.  The Germanicus is sitting in shallow water just off a major port....  Shades of US BB at Pearl Harbor and multipule times Italian BB in or off Taranto.   

[Desertfox]

Somebody missed the joke...

[ctwaterman]

Somebody missed the joke...

I SAW the TDS capitalized... subtle... but really  ::)

[ctwaterman]

Below is my frist attempt at a linner as is obvious I figured I would simply build Olympia [Titanic] Class Liners.   I would like to increase its Stability as the best I could get was 1.00 but then my linner using all oil fired is a bit lighter....????  I can get sea keeping but if I turn her into a Warship to get the Stability up I loose well all that above deck storage space. ;)
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RMS Olympia, United Norman Kingdom Luxury Linner laid down 1950

Displacement:
   33,934 t light; 34,772 t standard; 41,931 t normal; 47,657 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   894.00 ft / 882.00 ft x 98.00 ft x 34.58 ft (normal load)
   272.49 m / 268.83 m x 29.87 m  x 10.54 m

Armour:
   - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

   - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.25" / 32 mm   352.80 ft / 107.53 m   32.85 ft / 10.01 m

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 70,921 shp / 52,907 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 20.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 12,885 tons

Complement:
   1,464 - 1,904

Cost:
   £11.143 million / $44.571 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 536 tons, 1.3 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 536 tons, 1.3 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 1,697 tons, 4.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 11,701 tons, 27.9 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 7,997 tons, 19.1 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20,000 tons, 47.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     65,378 lbs / 29,655 Kg = 605.4 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 8.3 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.00
   Metacentric height 4.8 ft / 1.5 m
   Roll period: 18.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.83

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.491
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 35 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -8.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      34.67 ft / 10.57 m
      - Forecastle (30 %):   28.79 ft / 8.78 m
      - Mid (50 %):      28.79 ft / 8.78 m (25.79 ft / 7.86 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (30 %):   25.79 ft / 7.86 m (28.79 ft / 8.78 m before break)
      - Stern:      25.79 ft / 7.86 m
      - Average freeboard:   28.30 ft / 8.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 208.4 %
   Waterplane Area: 57,123 Square feet or 5,307 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 175 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 130 lbs/sq ft or 636 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.98
      - Longitudinal: 1.21
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

[Sachmle]

RMS Olympia, United Norman Kingdom Luxury Linner laid down 1950

Engines weighed a lot less in 1950 compared to 1920.

[ctwaterman]

RMS Olympia, United Norman Kingdom Luxury Linner laid down 1950

Engines weighed a lot less in 1950 compared to 1920.

Thanks more weight in her Bottom is exactly what she Needed...

Charles
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RMS Titanic, United Norman Kingdom Luxury Linner laid down 1918 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   36,032 t light; 37,014 t standard; 49,104 t normal; 58,776 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   894.00 ft / 882.00 ft x 98.00 ft x 34.58 ft (normal load)
   272.49 m / 268.83 m x 29.87 m  x 10.54 m

Armour:
  - Belts:      Width (max)   Length (avg)      Height (avg)
   Ends:   Unarmoured

  - Torpedo Bulkhead:
      1.25" / 32 mm   352.80 ft / 107.53 m   32.85 ft / 10.01 m

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Geared drive, 4 shafts, 79,470 shp / 59,285 Kw = 25.00 kts
   Range 15,000nm at 20.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 21,762 tons

Complement:
   1,649 - 2,144

Cost:
   £3.351 million / $13.405 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 536 tons, 1.1 %
      - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Torpedo bulkhead: 536 tons, 1.1 %
      - Armament: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
      - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 2,961 tons, 6.0 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 12,535 tons, 25.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 13,072 tons, 26.6 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 20,000 tons, 40.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     79,022 lbs / 35,844 Kg = 731.7 x 6 " / 152 mm shells or 9.5 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 5.6 ft / 1.7 m
   Roll period: 17.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 59 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality  (Average = 1.00): 1.84

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak, low quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.575
   Length to Beam Ratio: 9.00 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 29.70 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 37 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 32
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): -8.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 12.00 ft / 3.66 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
      - Stem:      34.67 ft / 10.57 m
      - Forecastle (30 %):   28.79 ft / 8.78 m
      - Mid (50 %):      28.79 ft / 8.78 m (25.79 ft / 7.86 m aft of break)
      - Quarterdeck (30 %):   25.79 ft / 7.86 m (28.79 ft / 8.78 m before break)
      - Stern:      25.79 ft / 7.86 m
      - Average freeboard:   28.30 ft / 8.62 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 81.3 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 200.0 %
   Waterplane Area: 61,755 Square feet or 5,737 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 186 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 132 lbs/sq ft or 643 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.99
      - Longitudinal: 1.10
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, rides out heavy weather easily

4000T [1000 1st Class Accomidations]
4000T [2000 2nd  Class Accomidations]
6000T [6 Dormitory Style Accomidations]
5000T Cargo
500T Additional Life Boats
500T French Style Dinning Room and Wine Celar.

[Jefgte]

Titanic

500T Additional Life Boats

Cool, There are Life Boats for all Passengers !!!


Jef  ;)

[mentat]

Definitely good precaution

  - and how about some forward firing TTs - in case of you know what .....