Ottoman Empire New for 1919 Ships

Guinness · June 08, 2010, 11:13:17 AM

Considering laying down some combination of these: A Tender, an Oiler, and a Collier (or maybe even a Collier/Oiler):

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Ottoman TB Tender, Ottoman Empire Torpedo Boat Tender laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   4,500 t light; 4,615 t standard; 5,695 t normal; 6,559 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   300.20 ft / 295.28 ft x 55.77 ft x 14.24 ft (normal load)
   91.50 m / 90.00 m x 17.00 m x 4.34 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft
2 - 0.51" / 13.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on centreline forward
   Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm     -           -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,100 ihp / 1,567 Kw = 12.03 kts
   Range 18,490nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 1,944 tons

Complement:
   327 - 426

Cost:
   £0.417 million / $1.667 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 125 tons, 2.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,336 tons, 23.5 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1,195 tons, 21.0 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 3,035 tons, 53.3 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     9,782 lbs / 4,437 Kg = 760.0 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 2.0 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.07
   Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
   Roll period: 15.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 66 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.850
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 33
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Forecastle (25 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m aft of break)
     - Mid (50 %):      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Quarterdeck (35 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m before break)
     - Stern:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Average freeboard:   20.65 ft / 6.30 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 66.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,180 Square feet or 1,410 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 173 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 60 lbs/sq ft or 293 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.88
      - Longitudinal: 3.16
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weights:

120t: 60 reload torpedoes
25t: Wireless
1000t: Accommodations for 500 TB crew
900t: Misc. Stores, workshops, spare parts, etc. etc.
990t: Additional Fuel (Total transferable fuel: 2934 tons)

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Ottoman Tanker, Ottoman Empire Torpedo Boat Tender laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3,000 t light; 3,115 t standard; 5,695 t normal; 7,759 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   300.20 ft / 295.28 ft x 55.77 ft x 14.24 ft (normal load)
   91.50 m / 90.00 m x 17.00 m x 4.34 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft
2 - 0.51" / 13.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on centreline forward
   Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm     -           -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,100 ihp / 1,567 Kw = 12.03 kts
   Range 44,870nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,644 tons

Complement:
   327 - 426

Cost:
   £0.293 million / $1.171 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 125 tons, 2.2 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,309 tons, 23.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,695 tons, 47.3 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,562 tons, 27.4 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     18,005 lbs / 8,167 Kg = 1,398.8 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 3.9 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.24
   Metacentric height 3.1 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.4 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.850
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Forecastle (18 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m aft of break)
     - Mid (50 %):      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m before break)
     - Stern:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Average freeboard:   18.85 ft / 5.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 38.5 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,180 Square feet or 1,410 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 312 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 301 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weights:

120t: misc items
25t: long range wireless
1417: Additional Fuel (Total transferable fuel: 6061 tons)

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Ottoman Collier, Ottoman Empire Torpedo Boat Tender laid down 1920 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   3,200 t light; 3,315 t standard; 5,695 t normal; 7,599 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   300.20 ft / 295.28 ft x 55.77 ft x 14.24 ft (normal load)
   91.50 m / 90.00 m x 17.00 m x 4.34 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1920 Model
     Breech loading gun in deck mount
     on centreline aft
2 - 0.51" / 13.0 mm guns (1x2 guns), 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1920 Model
     Machine guns in deck mount
     on centreline forward
   Weight of broadside 11 lbs / 5 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 150

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   2.00" / 51 mm     -           -
   3rd:   1.00" / 25 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 2,100 ihp / 1,567 Kw = 12.03 kts
   Range 29,540nm at 10.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 4,284 tons (100% coal)

Complement:
   327 - 426

Cost:
   £0.313 million / $1.254 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 2 tons, 0.0 %
   Armour: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 3 tons, 0.1 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 137 tons, 2.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 1,309 tons, 23.0 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,495 tons, 43.8 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 1,749 tons, 30.7 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     15,943 lbs / 7,232 Kg = 1,238.5 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 3.4 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.19
   Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m
   Roll period: 13.8 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 100 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.00
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 2.00

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has raised forecastle, raised quarterdeck
   Block coefficient: 0.850
   Length to Beam Ratio: 5.29 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 17.18 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 38 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
   Stern overhang: 4.92 ft / 1.50 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Forecastle (18 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m aft of break)
     - Mid (50 %):      15.75 ft / 4.80 m
     - Quarterdeck (20 %):   23.62 ft / 7.20 m (15.75 ft / 4.80 m before break)
     - Stern:      24.28 ft / 7.40 m
     - Average freeboard:   18.85 ft / 5.75 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 42.7 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 139.2 %
   Waterplane Area: 15,180 Square feet or 1,410 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 279 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 62 lbs/sq ft or 301 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.90
      - Longitudinal: 2.49
      - Overall: 1.00
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is excellent
   Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform
   Excellent seaboat, comfortable, can fire her guns in the heaviest weather

Misc Weights:

120t: misc items
25t: long range wireless
300t: Coal Transfer Apparatus
1304t: Additional Fuel (Total transferable fuel: 4488 tons)

Guinness · July 04, 2010, 10:25:03 AM

A new boat for use in the confined waters that are plentiful near the Ottoman Empire:

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200t Coastal Torpedo Boat, Ottoman Empire Torpedo Boat laid down 1919 (Engine 1916)

Displacement:
   200 t light; 206 t standard; 240 t normal; 267 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
   181.26 ft / 177.49 ft x 16.90 ft x 6.56 ft (normal load)
   55.25 m / 54.10 m x 5.15 m x 2.00 m

Armament:
1 - 2.95" / 75.0 mm guns in single mounts, 10.80lbs / 4.90kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing gun in deck mount
     on centreline forward
2 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns in single mounts, 6.00lbs / 2.72kg shells, 1919 Model
     Quick firing guns in deck mounts
     on side, all aft
2 - 0.51" / 13.0 mm guns in single mounts, 0.07lbs / 0.03kg shells, 1919 Model
     Machine guns in deck mounts
     on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
   Weight of broadside 23 lbs / 10 kg
   Shells per gun, main battery: 122
   2 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Gun armour:   Face (max)   Other gunhouse (avg)   Barbette/hoist (max)
   Main:   0.59" / 15 mm     -           -

Machinery:
   Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
   Direct drive, 1 shaft, 9,100 shp / 6,788 Kw = 28.57 kts
   Range 1,729nm at 15.00 kts
   Bunker at max displacement = 61 tons
     Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
   29 - 39

Cost:
   £0.061 million / $0.243 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
   Armament: 3 tons, 1.3 %
   Armour: 1 tons, 0.4 %
     - Belts: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Armament: 1 tons, 0.4 %
     - Armour Deck: 0 tons, 0.0 %
     - Conning Tower: 0 tons, 0.0 %
   Machinery: 131 tons, 54.4 %
   Hull, fittings & equipment: 59 tons, 24.6 %
   Fuel, ammunition & stores: 40 tons, 16.9 %
   Miscellaneous weights: 6 tons, 2.5 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
   Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
     44 lbs / 20 Kg = 3.4 x 3.0 " / 75 mm shells or 0.1 torpedoes
   Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.08
   Metacentric height 0.4 ft / 0.1 m
   Roll period: 11.2 seconds
   Steadiness   - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 36 %
         - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.13
   Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.30

Hull form characteristics:
   Hull has rise forward of midbreak
   Block coefficient: 0.427
   Length to Beam Ratio: 10.50 : 1
   'Natural speed' for length: 13.32 kts
   Power going to wave formation at top speed: 74 %
   Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 86
   Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.70 degrees
   Stern overhang: 1.97 ft / 0.60 m
   Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
     - Stem:      9.51 ft / 2.90 m
     - Forecastle (14 %):   9.19 ft / 2.80 m
     - Mid (33 %):      9.02 ft / 2.75 m (5.09 ft / 1.55 m aft of break)
     - Quarterdeck (10 %):   5.09 ft / 1.55 m
     - Stern:      5.09 ft / 1.55 m
     - Average freeboard:   6.44 ft / 1.96 m
   Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
   Space   - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 188.0 %
      - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 38.7 %
   Waterplane Area: 1,784 Square feet or 166 Square metres
   Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 34 %
   Structure weight / hull surface area: 17 lbs/sq ft or 84 Kg/sq metre
   Hull strength (Relative):
      - Cross-sectional: 0.50
      - Longitudinal: 1.29
      - Overall: 0.54
   Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
   Room for accommodation and workspaces is extremely poor
   Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

Misc Weight:
4t: 2x21" Torpedoes
2t: Reserve
- or -
6t: Mines

Range at max speed: 230nm, or 8 hours
Trial Speed: 34 knots

ciders · July 04, 2010, 11:23:12 AM

He looks powerful, in black. Very nice ship.

miketr · July 04, 2010, 11:53:27 AM

Yah not bad.

ctwaterman · July 04, 2010, 12:46:53 PM

*slaps forehead*... Looks back at my 204T Diesel Electric TB with the ability to as Guinness showed unbolt and lift off the Torpedo Tubes. Use the dock crain lower some Mine rails onto the Deck and Viola your done less then a week to refit.

Yes I really really really like this Ship... In fact I have 20 of them In Service and Intend to build about a 100 more...

Charles

Guinness · July 04, 2010, 12:50:49 PM

Yeah I figure the tubes can be swapped for mines in a couple of hours by a tender. With some drill a whole division of 10 ought to be doable in a good workday.

Also maybe 1 in 5 might carry mines most of the time anyway, to provide a little cover while the unit makes it's getaway.

ctwaterman · July 04, 2010, 01:04:46 PM

You dont need a drill... the Bolt holes for the Mine Laying Gear or Mine Sweeping Gear are built directly into the boat already.....

Charles

Guinness · July 04, 2010, 01:07:08 PM

Drill as in repeated practice. All the necessary fixtures and structure would be in place already, yes.

Jefgte · July 04, 2010, 05:03:01 PM

Nice 200t CTB.

Useful for coastal patrol & powerful with 2TT.

Jef